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Well the obvious issue here is the black project world vs the rest of the military. Just because you work at an installation where a black project is underway does not mean you have either the necessary clearances or a justifiable need-to-know what those projects are. A simple example would be the F-117 program. If you weren't 'read on' then you officially didn't see anything and had better not tell anyone you did. Just because you don't know that your "UFO" belongs to the USAF doesn't mean there aren't others who would be able to put the pieces together if you talked.
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Guess hasty posting and late-night, past my bedtime, means the message wasn't as clear as I'd intended. Consider that if we go back as far as the Arnold sighting of 1947, which many peg as the contemporary start of the "flying saucer/UFO" 'era', we're talking about 74 years ago. Include the "Battle of Los Angeles - air raid of 1942";
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles
and we near onto 80 years (at least). Point being some of the following may preclude your 20 years experience. One can websearch the following titles to get any number of hits/versions.
Are you seriously suggesting the best scene in "1941" was based on a flying saucer?
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Are you seriously suggesting the best scene in "1941" was based on a flying saucer?
Are you seriously suggesting that you take the movie "1941" seriously?
Did you read the link or websearch out any others related?
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Are you seriously suggesting that you take the movie "1941" seriously?
No, but it appears you are.
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I read up on this years ago. War nerves, nothing more.
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No, but it appears you are.
I read up on this years ago. War nerves, nothing more.
War nerves produced a radar target 120 miles west of LA? Yeah! I think you'll like this one better;

"On August 9, 1945, the Sacred Crane Task Force of Imperial Japanese Superdirigibles penetrated American airspace as easily as it had been violated during The Battle of Los Angeles. Upon disembarkation at Tonopah Army Air Base (later C.I.A. Designate: Area-51), The Shōwa Ultimatum was presented to the United States High Command (and ultimately the American Office of the Executive [then held by President Truman]).
To emphasize the lethality of the Biocidal Weapons of Mass Destruction by which Japan's Emperor Hirohito (a Marine Biologist of international repute) forced the United States into cease-fire; .... "
http://www.douglasdietrich.com/events.html

Cute cartoon though, but in both cases it presents 'theory' of how things work, per prejudice of one's bias. For example, in case of Anthroprogenic Global Warming/Climate Change would seem the UFOlogy approach is how "the science" is working. Your 'Religion of Science' is not immune to political agendas distorting facts.
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Sorry, but that cartoon went right over your head. Not unexpectedly.
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Must not be a premalink. Goes to the author's blog but no cartoon.
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Must not be a premalink. Goes to the author's blog but no cartoon.
If you're talking about OP's post, when I click on the cartoon I get an enlarged pop-up (spares the need for a magnifying glass).
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Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis

Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis; by Paul R. Hill

Synopsis

Paul Hill was a well-respected NASA scientist when, in the early 1950s, he had a UFO sighting. Soon after, he built the first flying platform and was able to duplicate the UFO's tilt-to-control maneuvers. Official policy, however, prevented him from proclaiming his findings. "I was destined," says Hill, "to remain as unidentified as the flying objects."

For the next twenty-five years, Hill acted as an unofficial clearing house at NASA, collecting and analyzing sightings' reports for physical properties, propulsion possibilities, dynamics, etc. To refute claims that UFOs defy the laws of physics, he had to make "technological sense ... of the unconventional object."

After his retirement from NASA, Hill finally completed his remarkable analysis. In Unconventional Flying Objects, published posthumously, he presents his findings that UFOs "obey, not defy, the laws of physics." Vindicating his own sighting and thousands of others, he proves that UFO technology is not only explainable, but attainable.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Unc.../9781571740274

http://www.amazon.com/Unconventional.../dp/1571740279

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Are you seriously suggesting the best scene in "1941" was based on a flying saucer?
Hell yes.

Aliens shot down John Belushi.

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"In an effort to examine the force-field propulsion hypothesis yet further, Hill analyzed a number of cases involving near-field interactions with an apparent craft in which some form of force was in evidence. These include examples in which a person or vehicle was affected, tree branches were parted or broken, roof tiles were dislodged, objects were deflected, and ground or water were disturbed. Under close analysis the subtleties of these interactions combine to point unequivocally to a repulsive force field surrounding the craft, while discriminating against propulsion mechanisms involving jet action, pure electric or magnetic effects, or the emission of energetic particles or radiation (although the latter may accompany the propulsive mechanism as a secondary effect). Further detailed investigation indicates that the particular form of force field propulsion that satisfies observational constraints is what Hill labels a directed acceleration field; that is, a field that is, in general, gravitational-like in nature, and, in particular, gravity-canceling. [3] Such a field acts on all masses in its sphere of influence as does a gravitational field. Corollary to this conclusion is that observed accelerations ~100 g's relative to the environment could be sustained without on-board high-g forces.

One of the consequences of the above identification of field propulsion type by Hill is his conclusion, supported by detailed calculation, computer simulation and wind-tunnel studies, that supersonic flight through the atmosphere without sonic booms is easily engineered. Manipulation of the acceleration-type force field would, even at supersonic speeds, result in a constant-pressure, compression-free zone without shock wave in which the vehicle is surrounded by a subsonic flow-pattern of streamlines, and subsonic velocity ratios. An additional benefit of such field control is that drops of moisture, rain, dust, insects, or other low-velocity objects would follow streamline paths around the craft rather than impact it.


Another puzzle resolved by Hill's analysis is that craft observed to travel continuously at Mach 4 or 5 do not appear to generate temperatures sufficiently high to be destructive to known materials. In other words, UFOs appear to prevent high aerodynamic heating rates, rather than permitting a heating problem, then surviving it with heat-resistant materials as is the case of the Shuttle whose surface temperatures can reach 1300 degrees C. The resolution of this potential problem is shown by Hill to derive from the fact that the force-field control that results in the prevention of shock wave drag as discussed above is also effective in preventing aerodynamic heating. In effect the airflow approaches, then springs away from the craft, depositing no energy in the process."
http://www.ldolphin.org/hill.html


From the synopsis linked earlier.



Any 'agency' that successfully reverse-engineered a system like this would gain a huge technological advantage over others on this planet. Hence a highly probable reason why any knowledge of or reality to "UFO"s would be denied at highest levels, since one would not want to give a clue to 'the competitors' what you know or how close you might be to gaining this edge.
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Hell yes.

Aliens shot down John Belushi.

Not much more alien than the California National Guard, is there?
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How To Build a Beacon

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Shades of Fatima,
Russian protesters distracted during Moscow demo against Putin... by 'UFO' flying over Kremlin

As with most apparent alien craft sightings, the quality of the footage and picture is poor, and the shape or size of the object is difficult to work out.
The strange craft appears to have legs or blade-like parts similar to that of a helicopter.
But witnesses to the UFO 'sighting' insisted it looked like it was flying without a rotor blade or engine.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mir-Putin.html

Did some searching, this Telegraph link has a shakey video clip;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...er-Moscow.html

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I was wondering ....
‘UFO’ Hovering Above Russian Protesters Turns Out to Be…a Drone

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ufo-...to-be-a-drone/
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