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Good topic. My mom was a wonderful woman and was adamant about not lying. Both her and my dad recall a time they saw something in the air one night after they and their friends were discussing UFO's. From the story they told me they watched the object for a long time. Then the object sped away at a speed that niether my father or mother could explain. I've always found that story intruiging. I've asked my dad about it a few times and he always says the same thing. The object sped away at a speed that was unexplainable.
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For those who still read books, one of the best in covering the range of material involved in "UFO"&"Flying Saucer" topic is "Alien Agenda, Investigating the Extraterrestrial Presence Among Us" by Jim Marrs, ISBN 0-06-109686-5. As one who's studied and read extensively in this topic area over the past five decades, I found his @656 page book, with index, appendixs and sources, to be relatively objective (considering Jim's take on many issues) and also comprehensive. Spanning from "Ancient Astronauts" thru current times as of it's 1997 copyright date. This book will provide a good overview and leads on where to go for more detail on any aspect of this topic one may wish to delve further into
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Interesting UFO photo. I'm waiting to see if more details are forthcoming;
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Looks like a dirigible.

I'm so disappointed that in an age where practically everyone has a camera phone, many with video, that we haven't produced better than this.

Looks like either those UFOs don't exist, or they've just adopted sneakier tactics.


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Looks like a dirigible.

I'm so disappointed that in an age where practically everyone has a camera phone, many with video, that we haven't produced better than this.

Looks like either those UFOs don't exist, or they've just adopted sneakier tactics.


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I was thinking dirigible too, at first. However that is a rather large and/or massive looking 'gondola' suspended underneath. And the supposed 'gasbag' looks more flat than obloid. Still haven't found more details on this such as duration of sighting, any more images, apparent motion or speed, etc. So this could be "photoshopped", or "sneakier tactics"/technology.

Who's dirigible would be hovering over Cheasepeake, VA mid-week like this?
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White House: There's no sign of E.T. or UFO cover-up. Science policy official responds to petitions calling for full disclosure

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The White House has responded to two petitions asking the U.S. government to acknowledge formally that aliens have visited Earth and to disclose any intentional withholding of government interactions with extraterrestrial beings.
"The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race," Phil Larson from the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy reported on the WhiteHouse.gov website."In addition, there is no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public’s eye."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45176460.../#.TrYM1HIfh1g
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When Bill Clinton became President, he said he wanted to know the truth about Roswell, etc.

Presuming he and some in his administration did, for there to have been a govt. cover up of alien visitations, hundreds of people must have been in on it.

Not very likely that nobody would have leaked it had it been so.


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When Bill Clinton became President, he said he wanted to know the truth about Roswell, etc.

Presuming he and some in his administration did, for there to have been a govt. cover up of alien visitations, hundreds of people must have been in on it.

Not very likely that nobody would have leaked it had it been so.


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Ah, but Col. Joe Face Less has confirmed the existence of underground bunkers at some Air Force base in Ohio. I'd state his name, but then the evil government would make him disappear. So, you'll just have to take my word for it.

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When Bill Clinton became President, he said he wanted to know the truth about Roswell, etc.

Presuming he and some in his administration did, for there to have been a govt. cover up of alien visitations, hundreds of people must have been in on it.

Not very likely that nobody would have leaked it had it been so.


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Had you read the article I linked you would have noted this, which was part of the second petition; QUOTE:

“Hundreds of military and government agency witnesses have come forward with testimony confirming this extraterrestrial presence,” the second petition states. ... "

Since they present no incontestable documents, or better yet, mountains of physical evidence, it's their "word" against that of the assorted agencies and depts., so eyewitness testimony is just so much 'smoke'.

Now if they were females claiming a Republican presidential contender had committed sexual harrassment of them several years ago, no evidence needed, their word is "golden" ...
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Oh yeah, a little cavaet to the post above. Many whom have been members of the USA military and/or agencies will have encountered assorted oaths and regulations that stipulate that if you've experienced, encountered or dealt with UFOs and/or reports/materials related to such and make details public, you may be subject prosecution and fines, imprisonment, and/or loss of pensions/benefits for doing such.

Bottom line is "loose lips" on this topic regarding anything you dealt with while "official" could ruin your future life. Hence there is a bit of pressure to not say anything about something that officially "doesn't exist"!

Go figure ...
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Mr Bock, do you have any verifiable sources for "oaths and regulations"? Ones specifically aimed at Not Yet Identified Objects? NYIOs are common in the military because we're supposed to watch the skies. But in 20 years active duty I never saw or heard of such a thing.

On the griping hand, it's classic Conspiracy Theorist tactics to claim that such things do indeed exist, but they're classified so you can't even mention them. This is really quite funny considering the fact that if such things were promulgated in the US military they would have been outed in a heart-beat.
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Oh yeah, a little cavaet to the post above. Many whom have been members of the USA military and/or agencies will have encountered assorted oaths and regulations that stipulate that if you've experienced, encountered or dealt with UFOs and/or reports/materials related to such and make details public, you may be subject prosecution and fines, imprisonment, and/or loss of pensions/benefits for doing such.

Bottom line is "loose lips" on this topic regarding anything you dealt with while "official" could ruin your future life. Hence there is a bit of pressure to not say anything about something that officially "doesn't exist"!

Go figure ...
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Mr Bock, do you have any verifiable sources for "oaths and regulations"? Ones specifically aimed at Not Yet Identified Objects? NYIOs are common in the military because we're supposed to watch the skies. But in 20 years active duty I never saw or heard of such a thing.

On the griping hand, it's classic Conspiracy Theorist tactics to claim that such things do indeed exist, but they're classified so you can't even mention them. This is really quite funny considering the fact that if such things were promulgated in the US military they would have been outed in a heart-beat.
Well the obvious issue here is the black project world vs the rest of the military. Just because you work at an installation where a black project is underway does not mean you have either the necessary clearances or a justifiable need-to-know what those projects are. A simple example would be the F-117 program. If you weren't 'read on' then you officially didn't see anything and had better not tell anyone you did. Just because you don't know that your "UFO" belongs to the USAF doesn't mean there aren't others who would be able to put the pieces together if you talked.
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Guess hasty posting and late-night, past my bedtime, means the message wasn't as clear as I'd intended. Consider that if we go back as far as the Arnold sighting of 1947, which many peg as the contemporary start of the "flying saucer/UFO" 'era', we're talking about 74 years ago. Include the "Battle of Los Angeles - air raid of 1942";
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles
and we near onto 80 years (at least). Point being some of the following may preclude your 20 years experience. One can websearch the following titles to get any number of hits/versions.

JANAP 146;
http://www.cufon.org/cufon/janp1462.htm
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/janap_146.pdf

AFR 200-2;
http://www.cufon.org/cufon/afr200-2.htm
http://www.foia.af.mil/shared/media/...070703-004.pdf

A couple you can start with. Have to keep this brief, need to get back to work.
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Good topic. My mom was a wonderful woman and was adamant about not lying. Both her and my dad recall a time they saw something in the air one night after they and their friends were discussing UFO's. From the story they told me they watched the object for a long time. Then the object sped away at a speed that niether my father or mother could explain. I've always found that story intruiging. I've asked my dad about it a few times and he always says the same thing. The object sped away at a speed that was unexplainable.
There is nothing immoral or irrational abpout seeing an object in the sky that behaves differently from anything one has ever seen or heard of.

It does not automatically translate into spaceships being flown by alien beings as the only explaniation for these unidentified flying objects.
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