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For all those who MAY be Interested in the ongoing Sci Fi Wargame - which is currently running in this Section of ACG.
This has been running since October 2010 - but only effectively since January 2011.
I am now the Game Master for this Game - and also one of the Players.

This is an INFORMAL Chat Thread - where Anyone can join in with ideas and opinions, and comments.

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Hmmmm - This "Story" has begun in the year 2130 A.D. and it is now into 2136.

We are trying to avoid Conquest by the Zetans - which are an Alien "hive culture" of vast, unknowable numbers of "individuals", who are like Ants - linked Telepathically to a central "Hive Mind". They breathe Ammonia.

I always call them "Them damn Zombot Zetans".

They have conquered most of the Galaxy, i.e. our own Galaxy ( that which is sometimes called 'The Milky Way' ), in a despotic Empire which has no parallel in Human History. Every single Species which they have come into contact has been either Totally Enslaved, or Totally wiped-out ( destroyed ) completely. They tolerate the existence of no other Species, unless it is Enslaved to them.

Species which they Enslave are kept in Slave Pens, when not working for them - and they rigidly control the numbers of all Enslaved Species. They kept just ONE of the unique Rasthor alive, who are able to communicate in any language - replacing this individual by Cloning, every 50 years. Their USING of Slave Species is that ruthless.

The Human Population has developed VERY FAST FTL Drives, and we have spread-out across a number of Star Systems, colonising several new Worlds.
In the course of this expansion, we encountered the Zetans. We have defeated them in some four encounters - but not without considerable loss of Human life.

It has been two years since our last encounter with the Zetans, when they invaded four of our Star Systems and caused much damage and loss of life. Our retaliatory attack destroyed all life in one of their Systems.
We have a technological advantage over them - but they are VERY MUCH more widespread than the Humans, and have VERY MUCH more in the way of Resources to draw upon.

In our encounter with the Zetans, we managed to rescue the sole one of the Rasthor Species, together with significant numbers of the Halthoe, Kolee, Goram and Leeth. They are all re-building or re-creating their own Species and Cultures in new Colony Systems - and contributing to the multi-cultural Phoenix Confederation.

The Phoenix Confederation has been formed, out of internal political strife within the Human Colonies - and now comprises two Human Dominions and a Dominion of the IPC - Intergalactic Peoples Consortium ( mostly Friendly Alien Species ).
The Phoenix Confederaiton is expected to be extended, to comprise more Dominions, as new Colony Systems become self-governing Dominions.

There are Eleven Players in this Game now - and I am wearing "three hats".
I am Kris Martins - the President of The Attican Republic.
I am Kar Kristoff - the Minister for The Interior of The Phoenix Confederation.
I am also the Game Master - although I try not to interfere much.

From this point on - This Thread will be all CHAT.
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Things going on in this Game at the moment --

We are building more Colonies, for more "economic depth" - and to provide more Shipbuilding Capacity.
We are building more Defences - to enable us to resist an Attack by the Zetans, when it may come.
We are also trying to build-up more powerful Fleets - to start definite Attacks on the Zetans, as the beginning of an Aggressive War.
We have to be able to attack them, rather than sitting and waiting to be attacked.

We have now got some insight into Zetan Communications.
We have not yet decoded these Communication Transmissions, but we are working on this - whether we are able to capture some Live Zetans or not.
We need to make decisions on wheher we can make some use of "brute force" Radio Jammers - to "blanket" their Frequencies.

IMHO - We should be looking at better and more powerful Weapons and Defences. We may be looking at Energy Beams as Weapons, and generated Energy Shields. Related to this is the "possibility" of Tractor Beams, and Pressor Beams.

IMHO - We should maybe be looking at "Quantum II" FTL Drives - because at the moment we have a quandary.
We have "normal" FTL Drives which would allow us to get to the other side of the Galaxy in less than 1 year. To navigate to the centre of the Galaxy would take a bit less than 6 Months. However, "straight line" routes of that distance are not really possible. We can cross the thickness of the Galaxy in around 12 hours or less, probably less this far out. We have Z-Drives for one way journeys, which are 100 times that speed - able to cross the entire Galaxy in 3.7 days or less - if straight-line journeys were possible.

IMHO - What would be really useful is to have a "Quantum II" FTL Drive which would allow us to travel at an intermediate speed, and on return trips. Say - allowing us to reach the middle of the Galaxy in less than 90 days ( 3 Months ).
Why this is all maybe necessary is that we have an Enemy, the Zetans who have conquered MOST of this Galaxy - and we need to start hitting them along their lines of Communications.
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A suggestion

Phase I - Locating The Zetans

If We take a small Scout Force, with specially equipped Detectors for the Zetan Communications Frequencies.
We then move this out of the plane of the Galaxy - which would take 6 hours or less, and say some distance 'above' or 'below' the Galaxy - which would take a total Journey time of some 12 hours or so in total.

From this position, we use the Detectors to undertake passive monitoring of the Frequency Bands for Zetan Transmissions, together with taking gravimetric readings of the centres of Star Systems which correspond to these Transmissions.
We can then "Map" a significant portion of the Zetan Empire - certainly we can "Map" the portions of the Zetan Empire which are in the part of our Galaxy which is adjacent to our Star Systems / Colony Systems.

Phase II - Surveillance of the Zetan Systems

If We can build some self-powered Automatic Surveillance Units ( passive ) - which can monitor Zetan Systems. We can put these into orbit on the outer "fringes" of known Zetan Systems.
We can make our approaches once agin from 'above' or 'below' the bulk of the Galaxy - to make our approach routes simpler. The Zetans only have Telescopes, simple Radio Telescopes and Radar as Detector Systems - and we can make our Ships and Detectors "invisible" to these devices.
The orbital Automatic Surveillance Units can monitor all Zetan Transmissions, and also detect the presence and movements of Zetan Ships into and out of the Zetan Star Systems.
These Automatic Surveillance Units can transmit their data to a remote Monitor Station, by tight-beam Ultra Radio ( which the Zetans seem to be unable to detect ). This could be a manned Monitor Station, located in a stable position ( with corrective Engines ) at some point 'above' or 'below' the mass of the Galaxy. It could then transmit all Data received, by tight-beam Ultra Radio to a facility in the Beta System.
The Monitor Station will have to be relieved from to time, by Transport Ships - providing supples and change of Personnel.

We will then know where the Zetan Ships are - when they leave and arrive, and where - and we may be able to predict their future movements.

Phase III - TO WAR

With this information in our hands - we can then begin our Aggressive War.
We will inevitably have to eventually DESTROY the entire Zetan Empire - and possibly Exterminate the Zetans. For the sake of all of the Races and Species which they have Enslaved or Destroyed, and for the sake of all the Races and Species which they would otherwise Enslave or Destroy, including US.
These are WORSE than the Daleks - but I would have no compunction about Exterminating either of these Species - no more than I would have any compunction about eradicating a virulent and dangeorus Disease.
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When you say the zetans are technologically inferior, do we have some comparisons as to exactly what we know? Ie, in terms of types of weapons, ship speeds, shield strength, communication security, etc.?
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When you say the zetans are technologically inferior, do we have some comparisons as to exactly what we know? Ie, in terms of types of weapons, ship speeds, shield strength, communication security, etc.?
Riiight - comparisons

FTL Drives ( Faster Than Light Propulsion ) - The Zetans seem to be about the same as us in Speed and Capabilities - our "Standard" FTL Drives.

BUT - We also have the 'Z-Drive' for one-way use only, which is 100 times faster. We developed this from some remains of Alien Technology, found in an ancient battleground. This the Zetans do not have.
The 'Z-Drive' is also un-traceable - we tend to keep it for Emergency Escape purposes, when fleeing Ships can neither be traced nor followed by the Zetans.

Their Weapons seem to be comparable to ours - but Ships carrying comparable Weapons seem to be some 6 to 10 times the Volume of our Ships - that is 2.5 to 3 times as big ( in all directions ), for the same striking power.
Our most powerful Ships are smaller than their most powerful Ships seen so far, but we have been able to destroy theirs.
Also - they seem unable to detect our Fighters, and they do not have Warships as small and manouverable as our Cruisers.

We have advanced Detection Methods, using high frequency Electromagnetic Sensors and Systems - several levels beyond Radar.
We also have Ultra Radio - which is faster then the speed of Light.
The indications are all very strongly that the Zetans cannot detect either our Detection Systems or our Communications - except where they are exposed to them and are killed by them.

The Zetans are actually limited in using high frequency electromagnetics, as their physical bodies, and maybe their Brains, are damaged or destroyed by high frequency electromagnetic waves.
So they are actually limited to visual detection and simple Radar detection.
Their advantage is in having a form of Telepathic Communication - which seems to be at least as fast as Light, and may be much faster. However, we are finding out more about this - and may be able to disrupt, block or Jam these Communications.

It seems as if much of the Technology of the Zetans has been developed by Enslaved Species, forced to work in "labour camp" conditions by the Zetans.
However, the major limitation and restriction in development of their Technology is that individual Zetans are near brainless "Drones" - mindless zombie-like units, directed by a central "hive mind" deep inside the Galaxy.
We believe that we have an advantage in that all Humans ( and rescued Aliens ) have their own minds, and are able to think-up new ideas, technologies and techniques themselves.

We have rescued several people of a gifted Enslaved Species, who were forced to work for the Zetans - the Halthoe, who are brilliant Engineers. The rescued Halthoe people are now working with Humanity - and their numbers are increasing rapidly.

We have rescued several people of a gifted Enslaved Species, who were forced to work for the Zetans - the Goram, who are brilliant Miners and Metal and Mineral Processors. The rescued Goram people are now working with Humanity - and their numbers are increasing rapidly.

We have rescued several people of a gifted Enslaved Species, who were forced to work for the Zetans - the Leeth, who have amazingly fast reaction times, and are now forming our elite Fighter Pilots. The rescued Leeth people are now working with Humanity - and their numbers are increasing rapidly.

We have now started cloning indiiduals of what was an Enslaved Species, who were forced to work for the Zetans as "Shock Troops" or "Space Marines" - the Korgoth.
We have managed to recover DNA Samples for this Cloning process. These people are being trained by Rasthor Tutors, in their native Culture and Language - and their numbers are increasing.

There are almost certainly many more of the Halthoe, Kolee, Goram. Leeth, and Korgoth - still Enslaved by the Zetans. There are almost certainly many, many more Enslaved Species - working for the Zetans.

Neither Humans nor Zetans have been able to develop Energy Shields yet - but we have recovered a strange Energy Matrix, from the wreckage of an abandoned ancient wrecked Ship, in one of the Systems - and we may be able to develop Energy Shield Technology from this Energy Matrix.
Energy Shields are a significant part of our current Scientific Research.

I hope this clarifies matters a little

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I noticed 1 of the things that we are planing to do is station listening post above and below the plain of the Galaxy. We should be able to track which systems are broadcasting the most using them which should tell us which systems are most likely to be the locations of Zetan brains. These would obviously be the most important targets for raids.
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I noticed 1 of the things that we are planing to do is station listening post above and below the plain of the Galaxy. We should be able to track which systems are broadcasting the most using them which should tell us which systems are most likely to be the locations of Zetan brains. These would obviously be the most important targets for raids.
At the moment I have PROPOSED this - still waiting to hear if this will be Adopted as Policy.

If it is - that is also one of the uses for such "listening stations", agreed.
We can get to such locations fairly quickly, to either put such Stations in place - or to build them. Our Standard FLT Drives will only take 13 hours max., to the kind of locations I was suggesting.
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At the moment I have PROPOSED this - still waiting to hear if this will be Adopted as Policy.

If it is - that is also one of the uses for such "listening stations", agreed.
We can get to such locations fairly quickly, to either put such Stations in place - or to build them. Our Standard FLT Drives will only take 13 hours max., to the kind of locations I was suggesting.

Unless you think it should require a cabinet level approval I say do it. It is the best way to find the Zetan weakness and destroy it. Take out the brains and the rest should be (fairly) easy.
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Unless you think it should require a cabinet level approval I say do it. It is the best way to find the Zetan weakness and destroy it. Take out the brains and the rest should be (fairly) easy.
I would Agree with that completely - and your Authority should be enough.

However, the Attican Navy is rather short of Ships at the moment.
The Navy part of the Job - my suggested Phase I is really something which I would suggest is best to be undertaken by the Phoenix Fleet.

They would be able to undertake the initial Scout function, and have sufficient force to be able to defend themselves, just in case they run into any Hostile Forces.
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"Sneaky" Anti-Zetan Weapons

Magnetic Mines

Amongst the useful Isotopes which Attica is recovering from Argos – are significant amounts of the Isotope Curium.
This can exist in a number of possible Isotopes – but only a few are long lived enough to have actually survived on the radioactive surface of Argos ( Attica II ).

Curium Cm245 has a half-life of 8,500 years
Curium Cm246 has a half-life of 4,760 years
Curium Cm247 has a half-life of 1,560,000 years
Curium Cm248 has a half-life of 348,000 years,
Curium Cm250 has a half-life of 8,300 years.

We are building an experimental Curium Reactor in the Guglielmas Base ( on Guglielmas Asteroid ), in the Pascali System ( Ex Psi System ).
However, the Guglielmas Research Base will also be undertaking other Research and Development.
Curium as a Weapons Grade Nuclear Explosive also has the advantage of a low Critical Mass – so that portable, suitcase-sized A Bombs could be made using this material.

One development will be very small Curium Mines, which will be magnetic - to “stick” to the Hulls of Zetan Ships. These can be fused to detonate only when their Jump Drives are activated.
Large numbers of these can be "dropped" into random orbits in Zetan Systems - to attach themselves to Zetan Ships entering or leaving their Systems, and they may be hard to detect using the primitive Detectors used by the Zetans.
As suspicions are that Zetan Drones are out of communication when in Jump - this will be a mystery to them, as their Ships start disappearing without them knowing why.

“Terraforming” Zetan Worlds

In Ammonia Atmospheres, suitable bacteria can be used in the presence of water - to change ammonia into water, hydrogen and oxygen. But the Zetans inhabit Planets with ammonia atmospheres, and cannot breath in oxygen atmospheres.

Attica has 6 refrigerated Mining Transports, Frigate sized. These can mine liquid or solid gases and ices from Moons - transport them in liquid or solid state, and dump them form orbit. Each of these could carry 2,000 Tonnes of Water Ice
The intention is to drop 2,000 ton blocks of Water Ice, which have been seeded ( or injected ) with the necessary bacteria - or these bacteria may be contained in a flask which will shatter on impact.
The feeling is that Zetan Planets will have little or no water on their surface.

If we "sneak" in and drop these from Orbit - they will start to automatically "Terraform" the atmosphere. The Zetans may even see these as "meteorites" which have arrived in their Systems by 'unlucky chance' - but it will certainly keep them busy and detract from their efforts to pursue the War against Humanity.

At request from TacCovert4 of Phoenix - we are partly armouring these Mining Transports, for incursions into Zetan occupied Systems.

"Brute Force" Radio Frequency Jamming

Due to the unfortunate incursion of Zetan Ships into the Wyandot System - full recordings of the E-M Transmissions of the Zetans have been made.
They seem to comprise complex coded signals, using both digital and analogue coding in strange combinations – but transmitted on two distinct narrow bands in the range of 10 KHz to 50 KHz, at intense power.

We are suggesting “brute force” Jamming ATM.
We fit BIG Jammers to our Ships – to cover the entire Spectrum, from say 5 KHz to 55 KHz - just to be sure, just flood the airwaves with these Frequencies, as a Defensive Measure. Say around Gigawatts ( 10^9 Watts ) on each Ship.

Attica is proposing that we put full-coverage Gigawatt Transmitters ( 10^9 Watts ) on all of our orbital Detector Units - about 80 in each of the Attican Systems.
We could also put full-coverage Terawatt Transmitters ( 10^12 Watts ), as part of our ground-based Defences.

Radio Missiles

The Jonathan Research Base on the Jonathan Asteroid in the Pascali System ( ex Psi System ) has developed “Radio Missiles” under the RM Project.
These Missiles comprise a two-stage attack – using a Nuclear penetration Warhead, which is then followed by a massive Radio Burst. It is intended to penetrate the hulls of Zetan Ships and disable or kill the Zetan crew.

The Attican Government is currently manufacturing RM Missiles in the Jonathan Research Base, and also in Factories on Ithica. Attican Warships will carry a number of these Weapons - to be used in encounters with Zetan Warships.
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Memo from Admiral Snowy to Presidential Hq.

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As suspicions are that Zetan Drones are out of communication when in Jump - this will be a mystery to them, as their Ships start disappearing without them knowing why.
This especially might be very usefull in view of the Zetans uncanny ability to adapt to our offensive capabilities.

In the same vain I suggest the “Radio Missiles” are for the moment reserved for emergency situations, NOT relegating their use to single-ship captains, since as soon as they know we have them they are bound to develop countermeasures.

Atm they are probably adapting to the plasma/railgun - weapons that saw them of last time.

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Memo from Admiral Snowy to Presidential Hq.



This especially might be very usefull in view of the Zetans uncanny ability to adapt to our offensive capabilities.

In the same vain I suggest the “Radio Missiles” are for the moment reserved for emergency situations, NOT relegating their use to single-ship captains, since as soon as they know we have them they are bound to develop countermeasures.

Atm they are probably adapting to the plasma/railgun - weapons that saw them of last time.

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Agreed - good idea My Friend
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In light of the new developments in Starship technology, and the undoubted ability of the Zetans to react to threats, I have put out a proposal of the arming scheme for the new XSBB, the 45km long behemoth that is soon to be a flagship of the new fleet.

I would also like to stress that while the Zetans may adapt to our use of technology, things like Railguns will remain somewhat consistent in the level of damage they can cause, mostly due to the fact that unless you start flying around in planetoids, a railgun shell can and will get through.

XSBB - SWORD CLASS (as to not offend any of our systems, we'll name them after famous swords)

Length - 45km
Width - 15km

The Shape will be somewhat representative of a blade, with 'wings' extending out in a blended fashion.

Triple Reactor Scheme. 1 to power the engines, 1 for the weapons, and a smaller 'slave' reactor to allow for shields or other expanded technologies, as well as a backup. Also, this ship will have capacitor banks to avoid the issues that Diplomacy had with system shutdown while firing the main guns.

Bridge Setup. There will be both a Bridge Tower behind Main Turret 2 on the upper superstructure, and an auxiliary bridge mounted in an armored capsule just above the spinal mounts in the middle of the ship. This will improve survivability.

Hangars. A ship this large is wasted on being a pure guns platform, just as a SCV is wasted on being a pure fighter platform. In that vein, 100 fighter hangars will be located in each of the 2 'wings' of the ship, to provide it with a supporting cast.

4 x Super-Heavy Rail Gun, Spinally Mounted. The extended length will impart more velocity. Combined with the new reactor system, all 4 guns can be cycled through much faster than the 1 gun of a SBB.

12 x HFCRGs in 6 Centerline Double Turrets. This ship is massive enough that the spinal guns of the smaller BBs can be turret mounted on her.

24 x HSCRGs in 8 Triple turrets. These will be located between the main turrets and off the centerline, in pairs capable of covering one broadside as well as forward and upward firing.

24 x SRGs in 12 Double Turrets. These are close defense guns against lighter vessels, and placed in opposing pairs alongside every HFCRG turret.

4 x HPB. Mounted 2 on each broadside.

8 x HPT. 2 each mounted fore and aft of the batteries on each broadside.

6 x LPT. 1 mounted on each HFCRG turret. The turrettized plasma gives the ability to engage smaller ships with plasma firepower from any angle, and annihilate larger vessels in broadsides.

8 x MLA (Medium Laser Arrays). 4 mounted in a forward battery above and below the SHRGs, 4 mounted in a rear battery above and below the engines.

200 x PDCs
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