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USSF B-36/36th MSFC at Long Hai

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Sorry to make two demanding requests in the space of a day but can anyone tell me anything about the work of B-36 and the 36th Mobile Strike Force Command out of Long Hai?

My current understanding (pretty much all from the Osprey MSF book by Gordon Rottman - reliable?) is that B-36 sprang up as a provisional unit in August 1967 to run RAPID FIRE; Long Hai was opened in September. In May 1968 it was formally established along with the three-battalion MSF. Although Rottman doesn't detail it's combat history beyond the operations in AO KIOWA, I discovered elsewhere that B-36 did run at least a couple of operations at a minimum in Phuoc Tuy. The same site also suggests that B-36 had a PsyOps/Civil Affairs component. I'm interested in what that position entailed/was used for and where it was used - in particular, did B-36 do any kind of PsyOps/Civil Affairs work within Phuoc Tuy?

I'm also intrigued by the location of the base. Long Hai did have an existing presence - the Popular Forces training centre and in addition to the forces stationed there a couple of PF platoons in the general area, including one in Long Hai itself - but it was also the geographic heart of the insurgency in Phuoc Tuy, and the Long Hai Hills were one of D445's favourite hangouts and a notorious destination for both 1ATF and Phuoc Tuy RF alike. It also seems a long way away from likely areas of operations around the Cambodian border. Was it just a case of putting it somewhere 'quiet' or was there a grander scheme involved?

And finally B-36 was commanded by the (in?)famous Bo Gritz.

So, anyone know anything of interest?
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Fun fact found in Where We Were in Vietnam (maybe Shaun will confirm): Det B-36 was personally assigned at Long Hai by President Thieu to protect shrimping ops of his wealthy friends. B-36 strikers were nicknamed 'Shrimp soldiers' lol! The camp itself was located at YS 4384-5122, it later served as a training site for FANK (Cambodian) soldiers.

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Jester, from James C. Donohue's book "Mobile Guerrilla Force: With the Special Forces in War Zone D", Epilogue, pp. 185-86:

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On 20 February 1967, the Mobile Guerrilla Force moved from Bien Hoa the the Special Forces Camp at Trang Sup in Tay Ninh Province. On 1 August 1967, Major Gritz organized Detachment B-36 (provisional). Under B-36, Detachments A-303 and A-304 were redesignated Detachments A-361 and A-362. We were also augmented with twenty American Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol (LRRPs) personnel.

In September 1967, Detachment B-36 moved from Trang Sup to a villa on the beach at Long Hai - Cape Saint Jacques. ...in November 1967, Detachment B-36 assumed the added responsibility of developing tactical and strategic reconnaissance in the III Corps Tactical Zone... On 23 May 1968, the Mobile Guerrilla Force was redesignated the 3rd Mobile Strike Force and grew to a force of more than two thousand men. The unit included three light infantry battalions, a reconnaissance company, and a headquarters company...
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Thanks for that guys.

Lou: did you do much civic action/psy ops when you were with the CIDG?
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Yes, and A-502 received its own individual unit award of the Civic Action Medal First Class for our efforts in Dien Khanh district. Sort of cheapened by the en bloc award of the same medal to the entire 5th SFG and all attached units about six months later, since U.S. personnel were not allowed to wear the fourraguere marking a second award. In the MIKE Force, our CA tended to be oriented on our dependent villages, building housing, communal wash areas, communal showers, wells, clinics, etc., but we treated any and all villagers in the area, dependents or not. My PSYOP was limited to kicking out bundles of leaflets from a C-47 over the HCM trail in company of a Mad Glaswegian named Eoin McKechnie (lst LT, SF) while in the MIKE Force. I got roped into that because I couldn't understand much of what Eoin said, and I thought he was just taking me "furra wee ride inna plane". Glaswegian is the only language I never managed to learn.

Down at A-502, the Vietnamese were responsible for PSYOPs.
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Corrected my post above, it was President Thieu ofc, not Diem.
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I was assigned to B-36 under BO Gritz who was replaced by Bob Lunday as CO. I was there from May "68 until Feb '69.

The recon company was commanded by 1LT John Deacy (Retired as a Colonel (0-6) Mike Soetaert
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Hey mate,

Very interesting. What were your impressions - if any - of Long Hai? Did you run an operations in Phuoc Tuy?
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While I was with B-36, We operated in Song Be, Bu Dop, Tay Ninh and Dau Tieng. B-36 was a "Fire Brigade", every SF Camp that expected trouble had B-36 come in an recon the area, and if necessary use it's Cambodes and Nungs to fight the VC/NVA.

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While I was with B-36, We operated in Song Be, Bu Dop, Tay Ninh and Dau Tieng. B-36 was a "Fire Brigade", every SF Camp that expected trouble had B-36 come in an recon the area, and if necessary use it's Cambodes and Nungs to fight the VC/NVA.

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Bu Dop

The 1st time that I was in Bu Dop was the night that TET '68 broke out. I was still in the 25th ID (1/27 Wolfhounds) and my Platoon (I was the acting PL) went on an ambush patrol. We blew the ambush and had over 50 enemy KIA and recovered (2) 12.7 MGs and a 57mm RR.

The next morning the platoon went to breakfast at the SF Camp, where we had fried egg sandwiches and bannanas. The CO told the company to "saddle up" and we were picked up by UH1s.

The platoon had a very casual attitude until we noticed that we were approaching Saigon. Someone spotted an NVA Flag flying over a pagoda in Cho Lonh. Then we grabbed our web gear and "locked & loaded our weapons.

The company landed on the street west of the President's Palace. We cleared the Palace and started clearing the NVA out of Cho Lon until the BN arrived at the Hoc Mon Bridge, which over looked the Race Track. The Wolfhounds acted as a "blocking Force". As the NVA were routed from the race track, they attemped to go across the rice paddies. Numerous NVA were killed, wounded or captured!

The next time that I saw Bu Dop was in January '69 after I was in B-36.

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Just a footnote I flew MANY support missions for B-36 out of Long Hai-Armed recons, drop-offs, especially in the hills behind the camp, along with recon missions ai the Rung Sat. Lots of low level/down in the bushes- lots of action ( Early 1970 through early 1971.
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We gave a class on the McGuire rig to the helicopter pilots and crews when we were deployed to Song Be. The instructor (ME) stressed that you needed at least two to stabilize by linking arms and holding the outside arms out as a plane's wing. Otherwise you would oscellate uncontrollably.

The Gunship pilots were all standing around and cracking jokes. Their CO, a Major, said that you would never get him at the end of a string "like a yoyo"!

At the beginning of our second week of operations, a recon team had to be extracted at last light because they were in contact! The slicks and gunships responnned at were able to make the pick-up. I was flying as an observer in the backseat of an O1E.

One of the gunships became lost in the Fog and went into the side of Nui Ba Ra. At lst light we conducted an overflight of the wreckage and observed that the crew was alive but the vegetation was too thick to land an Huey. The decision was made by Major Bob Lundy to lift the survivors out by McGuire Rig.

Two slicks equipped with McGuire Rigs were dispatched to the scene. The 1st Slick hovered and dropped the sand bagged rigs and three of the crew got in and were lifted out. The 2nd Slick then hovered and dropped his rigs. One PAX got in the rig and flew back to the Song Be SF Camp. The Gun Ships then blasted the downed Gunship because they couldn't lift it out and they didn't want the radios and arms to fall into enemy hands!

Meanwhile, the pilot of the downed gunship was still flying in his McGuire Rig. He got sick and by the time he was on the ground he was having "dry heaves". SGM Frank Hillman walked over to him and said, you would never get me at the end of a string "like a yoyo"!

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Mike, my brother was a FAC flying out of Song Be in 69-70. He operated in support of SF on several occasions. I'll bug him to give me his call sign.
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