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What can we say the Tories are up to their old tricks again, privatizing as much as possible from what was left from the last time their were in power before they get kick out which increasing looks like they will at the next election, the ? is how long will the pact with the Libs will last?
The longer the Nick Clegg (A clone of Tony Blair so is David Cameron all brunch of ******) are in bed with the Tories the more of their support is lost and the more party members are leaving the LibDems.
Will the LibDems ended up dropping to the 4th or even 5th largest party in the UK after The Scottish National party or Plaid Cymru? or just disappear from the House Of Commons as they continue to write their own suicide note.
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What can we say the Tories are up to their old tricks again, privatizing as much as possible from what was left from the last time their were in power before they get kick out
Like Labour never privatised anything. For example DERA and RAE. One also has to ask if its such a bad thing why didn't the Dear leader re-nationalise stuff?
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DERA have really gone way downhill every since and is prime example of privatization cockup, no way is anywhere as good or value for money as it used to be but of course I would say that as I used to work for them. It's just funny when a recession hit's some bright spark thinks it's a good time to sell national assets when the value has just nosedived and of course there's the lost income which now goes to the new owners.

Dear leader?? re-nationalize? what with?

you do know what Economic Shock Therapy is?
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But he had the Iron chancellor and Ed balls Controlling the purse strings...



(sorry Dear leader is the nickname he got on another forum, because you know he'd love a job like Kim's)

I'll admit I'm not so sure its a good idea, but Overall the Tories have been a bit too lefty for my tastes for a few years, and not one of the main parties has presented a sensible defence policy. Of course the Tories are the worst of a bad lot.
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It's just funny when a recession hit's some bright spark thinks it's a good time to sell national assets when the value has just nosedived and of course there's the lost income which now goes to the new owners.
Indeed. A better idea would be to sell assets at a high price. Britain could sell off its Gold reserves now they've reached record prices ... oh, wait.
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What can we say the Tories are up to their old tricks again, privatizing as much as possible from what was left from the last time their were in power before they get kick out which increasing looks like they will at the next election, the ? is how long will the pact with the Libs will last?
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Hi Tealo

Well I'm sure you feel better after your political rant but your forgetting one minor fact-This whole process was started under the previous Labour Government, which had already spent 11mil on this PFI deal for new helicopters from when the idea was first muted back in 2008!

As with the Aircraft Carrier debacle, the contracts within the PFI deal with Soteria meant that any withdrawl from the process would leave the country with huge compensation claims being paid to Soteria.

How ironic that the Labour Shadow Defence Secretary, Jim Murphy who backs the decision to suspend the deal, says "It is important ministers now rethink and consider all options"

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Back to issue at hand, there is a serious problem when politicans or civil servants can decide an commerical issue and then join the company concerned. You would have to be a saint not to allow the thought of getting a prime job as a result of a decision you made, affecting your judgement.
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Sorry Andy that I let it out, it's that I have this urge to smack politicians whenever I meet them both Labour and Conservative, though it seems to be worse round the LibDems these day's.
I hate labour for PFI as it costs more over the full length of the contract (all of them) it's another way of putting it on the national credit card. Which is ironic because it's cheaper to simply have the Bank Of England borrow the money and add it to the national debt. The financial black hole left by Labour (not just National Debt) you can add the long term cost of the PFI's as well.
PFI's are an example of the worst kind of creative accounting ever by a government, and of course the Tories will be continuing this policy as it hides the true cost of running the UK (And of course what the real level of national debt is and the deficit) with a second credit card sorry it's worse then that more like a store/shop charge card or buying that settee/new kitchen etc (HP) you always want on 0% interest for the first six months then paying 29.9% for twenty years which at end of the loan agreement they take back as you don't own it.


I completely agree with Kendrick the law regarding politicians/civil servants should be changed so they not allowed to take jobs for say a number of years where a conflict of interest exists.
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PFI's are an example of the worst kind of creative accounting ever by a government, and of course the Tories will be continuing this policy as it hides the true cost of running the UK...
Not so sure, they could get all the PFI's out in the open state how boned we are, and point to labour and say "their fault!"
Quite a number of PFI's are owned by the banks, so why not swap back their debt to us for the cost of PFI's? We get our assets back and the banks can bugger off and do their own thing releasing a PR nightmare from around the governments neck.
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