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Rare Footage of Anti Tank Mine Dogs...



sad, but true...no gory footage ...thankfully...

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Those poor dogs.
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Is women up for that job? I don't think so. One military job that a women can't do.
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When you send infantrymen to kill a tank, they have a good change of getting killed, too. Strangely, we seem to kinda be cool to this, and feel more sorrow for a dead dog than a dead man.
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^ I feel sorry for men that get killed too,But there is a difference you know!
A man as got a choice to say No or yes,while a dog has to do what he is told,the dog does not even know he is about to be blowen up.
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When you send infantrymen to kill a tank, they have a good change of getting killed, too. Strangely, we seem to kinda be cool to this, and feel more sorrow for a dead dog than a dead man.
The difference is the dog wasn't a willing member of the Red Army, despite that the NKVD might say that their dogs were patriotic.
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The difference is the dog wasn't a willing member of the Red Army, despite that the NKVD might say that their dogs were patriotic.
And despite what NKVD or Pravda might say, most humans in the Red Army were not willing members either. Or really any other army back then.
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And despite what NKVD or Pravda might say, most humans in the Red Army were not willing members either. Or really any other army back then.
It seems you really don't understand Slavic way of thinking.
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And despite what NKVD or Pravda might say, most humans in the Red Army were not willing members either. Or really any other army back then.
There were certainly large numbers of Red Army troops that did not want to fight, like the minorities and what not, but I'd say the majority did.
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And despite what NKVD or Pravda might say, most humans in the Red Army were not willing members either. Or really any other army back then.
In Leningrad alone 110 000 men joined 10 all-volunteer People's Militia divisions by the end of August. Similar divisions were formed in Odessa, Moscow and other cities, although they were reformed into regular detachments by the time they saw action. A volunteer German division was nearly formed in the Autonomous Republic of the Volga Germans, but after the Politburo decrees of August 28 and September 12 the republic ceased to exist and the division never came to exist.

You can pursue any political agenda you like, but the fact that huge masses of population willingly fought to defend their country is undeniable. Of course there were traitors and cowards, but no one is claiming Soviet soldiers were "better humans" or whatever.
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sad, but true...no gory footage ...thankfully...
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The first Soviet colour footage was made on June 24, 1945 at the Victory Parade, and trophy German film was used.

The scenes are clearly fake, being made up of various footages with the inclusion of some reenactors with airedale-terriers which have never been used by the military (at least the Soviet military). Ironically, only German shepherds were used for such purposes, being smart and obedient dogs.

The use of mine-rigged dogs in the Soviet Army is well-known but it proved ineffective after the first attempts. Firstly, the dogs could barely tell Soviet tanks from German ones, and secondly, after the first successful explosions the Germans started shooting all dogs in sight.

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It's true that between the scenes with running dog and the explosion there is a little cut. But maybe it was a black&white video and colors were added by computer ?
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It's true that between the scenes with running dog and the explosion there is a little cut. But maybe it was a black&white video and colors were added by computer ?
I don't see any purpose why these dogs could be filmed - if it was for propaganda reasons, the failed experiment would've never been shown. Even if it was for archival use, there's no way the film could be made on colour.
And thar terrier is like an unglued fake moustache on a B-movie spy
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I think the sky's about to fall in, but I'll say this;

I agree with Shaa.

The film is obviously fake. The only time these things were actually used, they caused an entire Soviet armoured division to withdraw because the dogs associated food (the reason they were supposed to go under the tanks in the first place) with Soviet tanks.

Strangely, while they'd kill a Russian out of hand, the Germans weren't too happy about shooting dogs either.

I'd say the film has been aged rather than false-coloured, and it's about as convincing as an Englishman trying to say, 'Loch.'
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