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Perhaps we ought to bring back the pillory for good measure.
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After an October 2008 visit, Chief Inspector of Prisons Dame Anne Owers found that inmates were easily able to smuggle in alcohol, with just two officers and four support staff on duty at night.

Her report said that "the size of the site and low staffing level at night meant that it was relatively easy for prisoners to leave residential areas at night and return with alcohol and other contraband purchased locally or left on the edge of the perimeter by accomplices".

It recommended that there should be increased patrolling of residential areas at night.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12105654

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When the riots broke out, there were two prison officers and four support staff on duty.
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Called in sick at short notice on New Years Eve call me a cynic but really what a load of cobblers me thinks

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Going to refute my points or just fall in with the Liberals I made reference to at the end of my post?

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and guess how many were actually on duty that night?
I bet that practice is quite common, it only becomes an issue when something happens and people find out about it. You'd be surprised at how common down-manning is in Security companies.
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No not really

When I left the Army I spent 6months working as a Security Supervisor in charge of 12men guarding of all places an Army camp -the Inf Btn were deployed in NI.

The number of lames excuses I heard from the men under me and my 'superiors' as to why I was short were nothing short of crazy. Some guys must have had eight mothers given the number funerals they attended for them, or have children with all the known fatal diseases etc

However the stand out excuse for not coming to work was one chap who had diaohera over the weekend but though he was now ok, he had no clean trousers to wear and he still got paid by the firm

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When I found out there were only 4 prison officers to guard nearly 500 prisoners it was one of those occasions where your jaw drops in disbelief.
I would have thought that wasn't enough men to guard the main gate, let alone the whole prison
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When I found out there were only 4 prison officers to guard nearly 500 prisoners it was one of those occasions where your jaw drops in disbelief.
I would have thought that wasn't enough men to guard the main gate, let alone the whole prison
And not only that, there's no armed tower guards or perimeter patrol officers ...

Here in the US the standard is something like 1 correction officer (aka prison guard/officer) for every 80-100 inmates, some very few high security facilities (ex. the "super super-max" federal prison ADX Florence) will have a ratio as low as 1 officer for every 20 inmates. Most US prisons and some county jails have towers manned by armed guards, and virtually all have armed guards on perimeter patrols. Many newer prisons and jails here no longer have towers and it's a controversial issue as many feel that it's a tried and trusted deterrent to a riot or an escape attempt where as a silly camera or a electronic sensor can't do much ...
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And not only that, there's no armed tower guards or perimeter patrol officers ...

Here in the US the standard is something like 1 correction officer (aka prison guard/officer) for every 80-100 inmates, some very few high security facilities (ex. the "super super-max" federal prison ADX Florence) will have a ratio as low as 1 officer for every 20 inmates. Most US prisons and some county jails have towers manned by armed guards, and virtually all have armed guards on perimeter patrols. Many newer prisons and jails here no longer have towers and it's a controversial issue as many feel that it's a tried and trusted deterrent to a riot or an escape attempt where as a silly camera or a electronic sensor can't do much ...
Ford isn't like "most US prisons" or even most British prisons. It's a Category D facility, intended for low-risk prisoners, such as those coming near to the end of their sentences. Prisoners go out to work in the community and get day release. It's had a few famous people in there in the past, including George Best and David Shayler

That said, security is a problem there.
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Ford isn't like "most US prisons" or even most British prisons. It's a Category D facility, intended for low-risk prisoners, such as those coming near to the end of their sentences. Prisoners go out to work in the community and get day release. It's had a few famous people in there in the past, including George Best and David Shayler

That said, security is a problem there.
Ah, so it's like what we would call a "community correctional center" where the inmates only spend nights actually in the facility and spend the days working in the community.
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