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Immigration is natural. Adapting is needed by both sides. As it has been said, very few of us can be considered true natives anyhow.
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Immigration is natural. Adapting is needed by both sides. As it has been said, very few of us can be considered true natives anyhow.
Say this to Brits kicked out from Zimbabwe, this respect and adaption must be mutual in other case it's called colonisation.
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I know White Zimbabweans kicked out of the Country and it is a shame. The racist policies of their forefathers is not their crime however!
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Decolinization to decivilization...

When the European powers left Africa in the 1960's and 70's, they left functioning governments, economies and institutions. The Europeans dragged those people 10,000 years into the modern world in the space of a century. Socialism, corruption, crime and anarchy is the world they have created for themselves...
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I would like to make a discussion about the immigrants in Europe.
In the past years the European politics towards immigrants has changed a bit.
France has ordered the deportation of many immigrants, German chancelor Angela Merkel has said that the Multicultural Germany has failed, and the Swiss have decided to kick all foreigners who do not obey the Swiss laws.

And I would especially like to hear the oppinion of Other Europeans about their views of the immigrants.
The human rights laws was force apond these European nations.
These governments and there cilvlains had no choice in the matter,force to take on non white Europeans.
Back in 1948,the goverments and the clivlains (if there was no UN) would had voted No,why do you think our parents and grand parents never recieved this right to vote back in 1948? Cause they really wanted to get this human rights laws including non Europeans in Europe and they knew for a fact that no Europeans wanted this to happend;heck,these days they encouage us for our votes.
I can see now,European countries wish to become what they once were.

Have you notice a pattern going on?

All non English speaking countreis are taking a stand against diversity/ non Europeans

While-----

All english speaking countires are still suporting devesity---
After all it was the English speaking world that made this deversity law in Europe,now;other Europeans counries are seeing some light and doing something about it.

What went wrong is that we intruduced a culture that was so alienated from our own European culture that it clashed with ours,this does not work,there is only room for one culture in one country.
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When the European powers left Africa in the 1960's and 70's, they left functioning governments, economies and institutions. The Europeans dragged those people 10,000 years into the modern world in the space of a century. Socialism, corruption, crime and anarchy is the world they have created for themselves...
Is socialism a bad thing? Thats a matter to debate. I am no left winger but I think you are mixing up socialism with harder versions like Bolshevism or Maoism.

The Colonial powers also drew borders that were pathetically thought over. Causing many years of inter-tribal strife. That is the effect of colonialism.
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Immigration is natural. Adapting is needed by both sides. As it has been said, very few of us can be considered true natives anyhow.
If immigration is natural then so is resistance to immigration. Most of the migration waves in history were in fact invasions. Immigrants had to break their way in sword in hand.
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I am not denying that resistance is not also natural.

Though it was not all invasions was it. Heugenots in England, Poles and Jewish Europeans in England, Former Imperial colonies and now it goes further.

It is only now that resistance is mounting. I understand some of it as I think it may have gone too far in some cases with Asylum Seekers who are not real meaning true needs are not met. Though today too many hotheads have such petty arguments in order to tar all with the same brush!
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Have you notice a pattern going on?
I dont agree as EU which has only one anglo-saxon as member is as comitted to multicultism as USA, Canada or A-NZ are. I do see another patern however: all those noble human rights laws enacted after WWII are only enforced on western countries, look on sub saharian Africa which is on worse state than fifty years ago the real "Heart of darkness" the Arab muslim countries openly denying relgiion freedoms and basic right to women, Asian countries who openly have asian only policy etc... All this is overlooked by our PC minded elite ridden on whiteguilt trip. What is worse in today world we have to compete for markets and resourcess with countries like Chian and India not saddled with all this social balast and loony eco regulations. When the welfare funds will dry out I don't expect French "youths" to accept it with calm and undertanding. And they're just one division in army of underclass.
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A fair counterpoint to my strident statements...

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Is socialism a bad thing? Thats a matter to debate. I am no left winger but I think you are mixing up socialism with harder versions like Bolshevism or Maoism.

The Colonial powers also drew borders that were pathetically thought over. Causing many years of inter-tribal strife. That is the effect of colonialism.
The world powers did not set up the colonies out of altruism for the native inhabitants, the "white mans's burden" argument was more of an excuse for establishing markets and securing raw materials. The borders were drawn for geo-political and not local ethnographic reasons, and the West has had to pay the price for such actions from WW1 to the Middle East today. My attack on socialism was the version where it was used as an excuse for kleptocracy by the likes of Mubuto and Mugabe.

That still does not change the fact that the colonies got far more than was taken and owe the West for whatever good is to be had today in their countries. Democracy is a Western concept.
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I am not denying that resistance is not also natural.

Though it was not all invasions was it. Heugenots in England, Poles and Jewish Europeans in England, Former Imperial colonies and now it goes further.

It is only now that resistance is mounting. I understand some of it as I think it may have gone too far in some cases with Asylum Seekers who are not real meaning true needs are not met. Though today too many hotheads have such petty arguments in order to tar all with the same brush!
How does a nation benefit by increasing its labor supply through immigration when there is still domestic unemployment and poverty?
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the Arab muslim countries openly denying relgiion freedoms and basic right to women,
You can't simply describe them all that way. There are women in the Kuwaiti legislature; churches in the UAE. Syria has had a Christian community since the time of Jesus.

Here's a map by a British Christian anti-persecution organisation.
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Your a "true" native to whatever country you were born into and are a part of.
Indeed; much of the non-white community in Europe was born in those countries, either the metropolitan areas or their former empires.
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The world powers did not set up the colonies out of altruism for the native inhabitants, the "white mans's burden" argument was more of an excuse for establishing markets and securing raw materials. The borders were drawn for geo-political and not local ethnographic reasons, and the West has had to pay the price for such actions from WW1 to the Middle East today. My attack on socialism was the version where it was used as an excuse for kleptocracy by the likes of Mubuto and Mugabe.

That still does not change the fact that the colonies got far more than was taken and owe the West for whatever good is to be had today in their countries. Democracy is a Western concept.
Maybe it can be seen in that way though the forceful implementation of colonialism was not he way obviously. Though those were different ages and if Britain had not her Empire she might of succumbed many a year ago. It is hard to judge today with our standards on history that looked at things so differently.

The British colonies did get a lot more out of our occupation than many. In many ways the British can be proud of that, though we must ask ourselves why.

With regards to your comment on Mugabe I can understand where your coming from, though it can easily be misread when you use the term socialism.
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