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My accountant... wants me and the wife to go with her to Trump's Phoenix speech Tuesday. She got us tickets (stares at them questioningly).

This cluster f... is downtown at 7:00 pm local. I figure we have to be early to stand in a huge line in the heat. But, one of the best sushi restaurants in Phoenix is like 4 blocks away. Dinner there, then this endurance match.

Anyway, there's supposed to be protesters in hordes. That should be fun... Normally, I'd haul a shootn' iron with me for something this potentially stupid violent but...

I'll try to get some pics of the more egregious stupid going on and should survive the heat and humidity... No, this time of year it isn't a "dry heat."
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To see a politician ?
Pathetic, isn't it?

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Amazing.
To do anything in Phoenix means you sweat and endure heat.

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Since they got you tickets I assume you have to pay for it too ?
No, they were free. I wasn't about to pay for them.

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Politicians here can only dream of such a crowd...
It's Arizona. Much of the state is very Republican friendly. The parts that aren't are Pima County / Tucson, the Berkeley of Arizona, and Santa Cruz County, home to America's version of PRI (The Institutionalized Revolutionary Party... A Mexican political party).

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Anyway - please report, very few members here have actually seen or met Trump, I would be interesting to know if there's a difference with his TV personality
I will. It will be interesting to see this personally for once.
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My accountant... wants me and the wife to go with her to Trump's Phoenix speech Tuesday. She got us tickets (stares at them questioningly).

This cluster f... is downtown at 7:00 pm local. I figure we have to be early to stand in a huge line in the heat. But, one of the best sushi restaurants in Phoenix is like 4 blocks away. Dinner there, then this endurance match.

Anyway, there's supposed to be protesters in hordes. That should be fun... Normally, I'd haul a shootn' iron with me for something this potentially stupid violent but...

I'll try to get some pics of the more egregious stupid going on and should survive the heat and humidity... No, this time of year it isn't a "dry heat."
Why? You did not get tired of people blowing smoke up your chimney when you were on active duty?
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And now there's a budget problem with paying the Secret Service as they have a somewhat large group to protect regarding Trump's 'family' and their frequent travel.

Is this another bad example of 'the art of the deal'?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartandhp
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And now there's a budget problem with paying the Secret Service as they have a somewhat large group to protect regarding Trump's 'family' and their frequent travel.

Is this another bad example of 'the art of the deal'?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartandhp
The number of increase is by about a third, 42 versus 31 per the following link, but the problems/challenges have been growing for years; ...
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Both Republican and Democratic lawmakers expressed deep concern for the continuing stress on the agency, first thrust into turmoil five years ago with disclosures about sexual misconduct by agents in Colombia and subsequent White House security breaches.

A special investigative panel formed after a particularly egregious 2014 White House breach also found that that agents and uniform officers worked "an unsustainable number of hours,'' which also contributed to troubling attrition rates.

While about 800 agents and uniformed officers were hired during the past year as part of an ongoing recruiting blitz to bolster the ranks, attrition limited the agency's net staffing gain to 300, according to agency records. And last year, Congress had to approve a one-time fix to ensure that 1,400 agents would be compensated for thousands of hours of overtime earned above compensation limits. Last year's compensation shortfall was first disclosed by USA TODAY."
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/21/secret-service-cant-pay-agents-because-trumps-frequent-travel-large-family
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Congress needs to act, long overdue it would seem, to assign emergency extra funding to thee Secret Service and also authorize some increase in staffing to meet the larger workload and attrition that has been occurring over the past several years, and looks to be ongoing for the next few.

IIRC, the SS is on the hook to some degree looking after prior POTUSes as well.
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And now there's a budget problem with paying the Secret Service as they have a somewhat large group to protect regarding Trump's 'family' and their frequent travel.

Is this another bad example of 'the art of the deal'?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartandhp
How is this Trump's fault? The Secret Service has an annual budget. That was set back last October for this year. It's getting close to the end of the FY so their funds are going to run low.
If Trump's costs of coverage differ from Obama's the SS will simply get permission to go over budget or will get temporary supplemental funding to cover the gap.

Trump's larger family isn't an issue here. He had that family coming into this. The Secret Service will adjust.

This is just Messina (and the MSM) looking for anything he can jam Trump over.
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The number of increase is by about a third, 42 versus 31 per the following link, but the problems/challenges have been growing for years; ...
QUOTE:
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Both Republican and Democratic lawmakers expressed deep concern for the continuing stress on the agency, first thrust into turmoil five years ago with disclosures about sexual misconduct by agents in Colombia and subsequent White House security breaches.

A special investigative panel formed after a particularly egregious 2014 White House breach also found that that agents and uniform officers worked "an unsustainable number of hours,'' which also contributed to troubling attrition rates.

While about 800 agents and uniformed officers were hired during the past year as part of an ongoing recruiting blitz to bolster the ranks, attrition limited the agency's net staffing gain to 300, according to agency records. And last year, Congress had to approve a one-time fix to ensure that 1,400 agents would be compensated for thousands of hours of overtime earned above compensation limits. Last year's compensation shortfall was first disclosed by USA TODAY."
...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/21/secret-service-cant-pay-agents-because-trumps-frequent-travel-large-family
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Congress needs to act, long overdue it would seem, to assign emergency extra funding to thee Secret Service and also authorize some increase in staffing to meet the larger workload and attrition that has been occurring over the past several years, and looks to be ongoing for the next few.

IIRC, the SS is on the hook to some degree looking after prior POTUSes as well.
Not to mention the increase in idiots that had to be questioned by SS for such things as posting or uttering "threats", holding severed heads of Trump, threatening Barron, etc.......
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How is this Trump's fault? The Secret Service has an annual budget. That was set back last October for this year. It's getting close to the end of the FY so their funds are going to run low.
If Trump's costs of coverage differ from Obama's the SS will simply get permission to go over budget or will get temporary supplemental funding to cover the gap.

Trump's larger family isn't an issue here. He had that family coming into this. The Secret Service will adjust.

This is just Messina (and the MSM) looking for anything he can jam Trump over.
The Secret Service was charged by the Trump organization for rooms in Trump Tower while protecting Trump.

They are also charged for golf carts they have to use when Trump goes golfing at his own resorts.

They shouldn't be charged by the president for protecting him.

If this was Obama you'd be having a hissy fit. And Obama didn't golf as much as Trump and didn't own his own resorts or charge the Secret Service for being protected.

Trump is wasting the taxpayers' money.
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The Secret Service was charged by the Trump organization for rooms in Trump Tower while protecting Trump.

They are also charged for golf carts they have to use when Trump goes golfing at his own resorts.

They shouldn't be charged by the president for protecting him.

If this was Obama you'd be having a hissy fit. And Obama didn't golf as much as Trump and didn't own his own resorts or charge the Secret Service for being protected.

Trump is wasting the taxpayers' money.
When is was Obama, or any other prior POTUS, it's not unreasonable to expect a Hotel/Resort to charge the Guv'mint for staying at and using their facilities.
TANSTAAFL!

What would be more interesting is if "Trump Towers, etc." charges more or less than the "Ritz" or "Sheraton" would have charged for Barry, etc. to stay there?

Also interesting to wonder if the "Presidential Rate" is more or less than other VIP, group discount(?), or if the private enterprise renting, gives the net profit to 'charity'/tax deduction, etc. .... ?
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The Secret Service was charged by the Trump organization for rooms in Trump Tower while protecting Trump.
As well they should be. Why should Trump Tower, a private corporation with lots of investors, lose money every time Trump wants to stay there? Federal law requires the Secret Service accompany him. They have to have a place to stay near the President. Trump Towers shouldn't be expected to take a loss if it were Obama, Bush, or Trump staying there.

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They are also charged for golf carts they have to use when Trump goes golfing at his own resorts.
That equipment has a cost associated with it. Why should they not pay for the equipment and make the investors take a loss every time they get used by the government? Or, do you really think that Trump is the sole and only investor in these businesses?

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They shouldn't be charged by the president for protecting him.
They aren't. They are being charged by a publically held private corporation in which Mr. Trump is a major investor.

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If this was Obama you'd be having a hissy fit. And Obama didn't golf as much as Trump and didn't own his own resorts or charge the Secret Service for being protected.

Trump is wasting the taxpayers' money.
No, my "hissy fit" with Obama was he wanted to go lots of different places, often new. The cost of the Secret Service goes down when the President has a few places he goes often as they can get the security set up and leave it in place when that's the case. It's harder when the President wants to go somewhere new every time.
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When is was Obama, or any other prior POTUS, it's not unreasonable to expect a Hotel/Resort to charge the Guv'mint for staying at and using their facilities.
TANSTAAFL!

What would be more interesting is if "Trump Towers, etc." charges more or less than the "Ritz" or "Sheraton" would have charged for Barry, etc. to stay there?

Also interesting to wonder if the "Presidential Rate" is more or less than other VIP, group discount(?), or if the private enterprise renting, gives the net profit to 'charity'/tax deduction, etc. .... ?
But Obama didn't own any resorts or towers. Trump's own company is charging the government, specifically the Secret Service while they are protecting Trump.

That seems to be proper to you? Trump is profiting from the government of which he is supposed to be chief executive.
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Originally Posted by Massena View Post
But Obama didn't own any resorts or towers. Trump's own company is charging the government, specifically the Secret Service while they are protecting Trump.
Can we help it that Obama never did anything useful in his entire life? Is that our fault?

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That seems to be proper to you? Trump is profiting from the government of which he is supposed to be chief executive.
Oh, so it's okay that Obama mooches off everyone because he's such a loser in the field of success, having done nothing but get elected, while Trump because he's loaded should have to pay his own way. How much of a discount is the government getting from these businesses in the form of taxes on what they pay them? 20%? 30%?
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