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It's almost as if they wanted us to fight'

No kidding? The only people authorized to use force are the police, why did they allow both sides to bring so many weapons to the demonstration?

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Law enforcement was met with criticism from the protesters on the left, too.
Kendall Bills, who attended the counter-demonstration with her partner, says she was attacked by one of the rallygoers but police did nothing.
"In the entire hour that I was there," she said, "at no point did I see the police intervene in any violence they were witness to, including my own."
David Straughn, another counterprotester, claims he was near Heyer when she was hit by the car. Up until that point, he said, "the police did nothing."
Once the car plowed into the crowd, the police stepped in, Straughn said.
"I will give credit where credit is due, but I will say that was too little, too late," he told CNN. "If the police had acted differently in the beginning of the day -- before 1:42 p.m. -- maybe we wouldn't be talking about Heather Heyer right now. Maybe she would still be alive."
According to a tweet from the ACLU of Virginia, police said they wouldn't intervene "until given command to do so."
Another protester, Hawk Newsome, president of Black Lives Matter of Greater New York, told CNN affiliate WCAV the police response to "Unite the Right" was different than at rallies he's attended in the past. He said the police in Charlottesville were too far away to prevent any violence.
"The police actually allowed us to square off against each other," Newsome said. "There were fights and the police were standing a block away the entire time. It's almost as if they wanted us to fight each other."
Neither Charlottesville Police nor Virginia State Police immediately responded to CNN's requests for comment. The city of Charlottesville also did not respond.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/pol...rnd/index.html
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Police are increasingly unwilling to take casualties when they are declared wrong no matter what they do.

We are very close to anarchy.
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A little bit of pro-active on the part of police to close side streets that counter-protest was on to traffic would have gone a long way to preventing what happened. The police didn't even try.
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Police are increasingly unwilling to take casualties when they are declared wrong no matter what they do.

We are very close to anarchy.
Just when I was starting to regret all that time & money I put into "prepping"...
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Just when I was starting to regret all that time & money I put into "prepping"...
Time...to...clean...the...guns...
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Just when I was starting to regret all that time & money I put into "prepping"...
That "prepping" should also be a realization of the natural disasters that could happen, not just "human-caused".
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That "prepping" should also be a realization of the natural disasters that could happen, not just "human-caused".
You got that right..
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That "prepping" should also be a realization of the natural disasters that could happen, not just "human-caused".
Once again, the pattern of forest fires around the town I live looks like the VC's siege works around Dien Ben Phu.
Not totally surrounded, but near enough.
And this weekend, a million sight-seeers are piling into the state to see the freaking eclipse. I hope that most of them aren't careless smokers, know what I mean?
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No kidding? The only people authorized to use force are the police, why did they allow both sides to bring so many weapons to the demonstration?


http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/pol...rnd/index.html
The entire event was set up to fail, and the Governor, mayor, and vice mayor are directly responsible for that cluster****.
Yesterday the mayor had scheduled a press conference to ask the governor to call a emergency session of the general assembly seeking a change in the current law which would allow him to remove the RE Lee statue. There has been a huge backlash against him, and people want to know why the police were told to stand down. They canceled the press conf. and just made a press release so he didn't have to answer questions.
This whole thing is nothing more than a way to create more unrest from the left. They will keep pushing until they get the war that seek, but Civil War II will not be fought with muskets, and will be far bloodier.
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They will keep pushing until they get the war that seek, but Civil War II will not be fought with muskets, and will be far bloodier.
Just a little melodramatic, wouldn't you say? Did you ever think what civil war would really mean? Here's a start, no power, no water, no food, no gasoline, etc., etc. It wouldn't be one region against another, it would be house to house. If you even contemplate it, you're sick.
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Just a little melodramatic, wouldn't you say? Did you ever think what civil war would really mean? Here's a start, no power, no water, no food, no gasoline, etc., etc. It wouldn't be one region against another, it would be house to house. If you even contemplate it, you're sick.
Good with all of that but the last line.
Sticking your head in the sand won't make it go away, and it is becoming increasingly difficult NOT to think of it when things just keep getting hotter out there.

Of course, if somebody had nuked UVA while this was happening, that would have ended it for about 80% of the people that actually want a new civil war in this country.
Another good reason to avoid gatherings like that, right?
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You can think of it as a very slight possibility but too many people get all excited and seem to look forward to it. They seem to think that the right has all the guns. They don't, not by a long shot (pun intended). I know plenty of liberals who own guns. They just aren't one issue 2nd Amendment voters. I live less than 5 miles from the Detroit city limits and aren't worried at all. Blizzards, tornados and even earthquakes are higher on my list of what to prepare for.
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You can think of it as a very slight possibility but too many people get all excited and seem to look forward to it. They seem to think that the right has all the guns. They don't, not by a long shot (pun intended). I know plenty of liberals who own guns. They just aren't one issue 2nd Amendment voters. I live less than 5 miles from the Detroit city limits and aren't worried at all. Blizzards, tornados and even earthquakes are higher on my list of what to prepare for.
I have coworkers who are liberal gun owners, I can't figure them out. One owns at least 50 guns and continues to vote for gun control advocates.
That's like holding a gun to your own head and saying,
"Freeze or the dummy gets it!"
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