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..for 1400+ years Muslims and Jews have been contributing to society, sure there are issues with any group but history supports the Muslims and Jews..
You shouldn't really lump jews and muslims together mate, the Jews are a strongwilled intelligent proud race, whereas muslims are not!
If there are going to be muslims in heaven, it'd be a case of "oops there goes the neighbourhood!" and I swear to God I wouldn't want to go.
As regards Jews, maybe God will cut them some slack about killing his son and put it down to a "misunderstanding" and let them waltz through the pearlies, who knows?..
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1- Where is this "great muslim empire"?
2- I string with these doods..-
















http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quotations...le_Non-Muslims
Good for Trump calling for the defeat of ISIL.

Charles Lindbergh again mate...when it comes to WW2 would you have sided with the allies or axis powers if I may ask?

As to your other point, when it comes to historic figures praising Islam and Muslim history, whether its Christians or other non Muslim, see this site


What non-Muslim scholars said about Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him)




M.K.Gandhi, YOUNG INDIA, 1924

"...I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and his own mission. These, and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every trouble." YOUNG INDIA, 1924


Lamartine - Histoire de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol II, pp. 276-77:

"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and souls... the forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was twofold, the unit of God and the immateriality of God; the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with words.

"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"


Edward Gibbon and Simon Ocklay - History of the Saracen Empire, London, 1870, p. 54:

"It is not the propagation but the permanency of his religion that deserves our wonder, the same pure and perfect impression which he engraved at Mecca and Medina is preserved, after the revolutions of twelve centuries by the Indian, the African and the Turkish proselytes of the Koran...The Mahometans have uniformly withstood the temptation of reducing the object of their faith and devotion to a level with the senses and imagination of man. 'I believe in One God and Mahomet the Apostle of God', is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honors of the prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtue, and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."


http://gainpeace.com/index.php?optio...=41&Itemid=105


It is well known that some of the most respected European Catholics and Catholic Kingdoms were diverse and while they had issues like anyone else, had a # of traits that one could admire. The various figures I have quoted above such as Bonaparte and Gandhi, are widely admired and widely cited for improving civil rights in the world so to see these men praise Islam speaks volumes. It goes to show that Muslims have done great things being that they are admired by great Christian and Hindu men.

5 Muslim Contributions to Modern Society


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rua-w...b_9279298.html

Muslim Contributions to Civilization


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig...b_4135868.html
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The ones who are already in Canada, America and Europe can be dealt with later, but at the moment the main priority for all those countries should be to stop any more entering!
For example, this is a shot of one of the muslim columns entering borderless Europe, so if there are say 500 muslims in this column, and if only 1 percent are extremists, there are 5 potential terrorists n this pic.
(1 percent of 500= 5)



Wait, it gets worse!
Obama was letting 100,000 muslims per year into America, so that was potentially 1000 extremists each year setting foot on American soil!
(1 per cent of 100,000= 1000),
And if Don doesn't stop them, an eventual total of 6 million will contain 60,000 potential terrorists in America, what could possibly go wrong?..
(1 per cent of 6 million= 60,000)

Its very easy friend to debunk the anti Muslim sights you provide.

Consider that crime is a potential at any moment at any place. Any of these sites making the argument well if even 1 % or even .05 % of 1000 Muslim immigrants are "extremists" then we are in trouble. Simply put the argument is a disgrace, it would be like a Japanese man saying I dont want Americans to come to our country because America has the worlds highest prison population, and a problem with "white supremacists" ie the Charlottesville attack or when Dylan Roof shot up a black majority Church not to long ago.

Some #s of Jews, white people, black people, and Muslims in the recent times have committed violent attacks in the name of their religion or so called race. Settler violence by Israeli Jews against Palestinian Christian and Muslims is an issue...but surely some Israeli settlers have a heart. So even conservative Jews can be good people, as can conservative Muslims be good people.

And keep in mind that the United States has been accepting Muslim guests and Immigrants pretty much since the beginning of our country.

On the morning of November 30, 1805, a salute from the guns of the frigate U.S.S. Congress announced the arrival of the Tunisian envoy to the United States. Sidi Soliman Mellimelli and his attendants were greeted at the Washington Navy Yard with full military honors and by a crowd of curious onlookers.1 The curious were not to be disappointed by the appearance of the first Muslim envoy to the United States — he was a large figure with a full dark beard and he dressed in robes of richly embroidered fabrics and wore a turban of fine white muslin.2

https://www.monticello.org/site/rese...tunisian-envoy

Here is some leadership,

“Islam brings hope and comfort to millions of people in my country, and to more than a billion people worldwide. Ramadan is also an occasion to remember that Islam gave birth to a rich civilization of learning that has benefited mankind.” – George W. Bush



“… the religiosity of Muslims deserves respect. It is impossible not to admire, for example, their fidelity to prayer. The image of believers in Allah who, without caring about time or place, fall to their knees and immerse themselves in prayer remains a model for all those who invoke the true God, in particular for those Christians who, having deserted their magnificent cathedrals, pray only a little or not at all.” – Pope John Paul II


http://mvslim.com/10-great-non-muslim-quotes-on-islam/




That point some Pro Israels make to generalize against Muslims...friend it does not hold up...clearly Muslims have a great history.

Btw I wish the best for all people, Israeli, Palestinian, Saudi, Iranian you name it....I say God be with them. My issue is with not only the laws of Israel but also the laws and policies of the two Palestinian areas in Israel. You will find that Mr Trump in his decision to view Jerusalem as Israels capital is disagreed with by much of the world including many Catholics and Protestants of Europe.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positions_on_Jerusalem
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I'll just accept that as a No-contest plea...and leave it at that.

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Nonsense. I'll bash Dems at every possibility, but I have defended them (very reluctantly) on this very board when the subject of guilt or innocence comes up.

There is no 'public court', just rumors created by the press.
It's a fact that Moore had at one time developed a pattern of liking the little girls, in much the same way Clinton like the big ones. But...when you're promising to lower taxes I guess you can get away with anything.


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Coming from you, it's an honor and a compliment.
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I'll just accept that as a No-contest plea...and leave it at that.
Actually, I didn't believe your claim and dispute your argument, but didn't think it was worth arguing about.

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It's a fact that Moore had at one time developed a pattern of liking the little girls, in much the same way Clinton like the big ones. But...when you're promising to lower taxes I guess you can get away with anything.
And this 'fact' was established in what court of law? 17 is a legal adult.

You shouldn't place your faith in rumors.


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Coming from you, it's an honor and a compliment.
I don't doubt. Given that you're French, I expect you can rationalize anything except actual accomplishments.
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You shouldn't really lump jews and muslims together mate, the Jews are a strongwilled intelligent proud race, whereas muslims are not!
If there are going to be muslims in heaven, it'd be a case of "oops there goes the neighbourhood!" and I swear to God I wouldn't want to go.
As regards Jews, maybe God will cut them some slack about killing his son and put it down to a "misunderstanding" and let them waltz through the pearlies, who knows?..
If you believe in all that stuff, how could people from a religion who believes it's a blasphemy to believe in Christ, ever going to get into a Christian heaven?
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Its very easy friend to debunk the anti Muslim sights you provide...
Okay mate let's see you debunk this little lot..-

-The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
-The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
-The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
-The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
-The U.S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
-The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
-The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
-The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
-The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
-The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
-The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
-The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
-The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
-The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
-The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
-The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
-The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
-The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
-The Saudi Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
-The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
-The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
-The 1993 first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
-The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
-The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
-The 9/11 hijackers were Muslims
-The Tunisia beach gunman was Muslim
-The Manchester bomber was Muslim
- The London Parliament killer was Muslim
-The London Bridge killers were Muslims


Thank God America ditched Hillary..


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If you believe in all that stuff, how could people from a religion who believes it's a blasphemy to believe in Christ, ever going to get into a Christian heaven?
They can't..
To get through the pearlies, people simply have to ditch their heathen religions and become Jesus's mates, that's all he wants..

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If you believe in all that stuff, how could people from a religion who believes it's a blasphemy to believe in Christ, ever going to get into a Christian heaven?
You really don't know much about either faith, do you?

Time to put you on Ignore. You'll never have anything to contribute.
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You really don't know much about either faith, do you?

Time to put you on Ignore. You'll never have anything to contribute.
You are a very odd individual! I wasn't claiming to know anything, I was asking a question!!!!!!!!!

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