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Afghan Communism

In the 1920s Afghan leaders like Amanullah Khan, influenced by European liberalism, paved the way for numerous social advancements in Afghanistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanul...isit_to_Europe


Decades later the Communist revoultion also helped to bring even more social change to Afghanistan.

Communist ideologies influenced millions of Afghan Muslim men and women to bring forth some of the most liberal ideologies the middle east has ever seen.

When there is a situation involving grown men whom want to enslave others and enforce an unequal status among people, severe action needs to be taken. I dont know if the OP of the few other anti Commies itt understands the plight of Afghan people in the 1980s, a time when card carrying Communists of Afghanistan were the people watching hockey and soccer games and the Taliban types were attacking them for doing so. Many folks in the so called West are unaware of Communist Afghanistan, they imagine Afghan people as all being cave dwelling religious conservative Muslims...in realty though the Afghan people as late as the early 1990s were dressing just as men and women in the west dress, and were very much interested in History, social values, nightclubs, good music, etc.

Communist Muslim Afghan ideology included the discontinuation of criminal child and forced marriage, the discontinuation of bigoted marriage segregation policies, and a emphasis on equality among man and women. While one can agree or disagree with Communism, it is clear the Communists of Afghanistan were the good guys, its not a case of a lesser of two evils,

The most important of the decrees issued by the Revolutionary Council were decrees No. 6, 7, and 8. They dealt with the following:

Decree no. 6:[4] concerning cancelation of debts, loans, mortgages and revenues due from peasants to the usurers and big landlords (in most cases inherited debt from generation to generation of peasants). According to para 2 of this decree, the sliding scale of repayment (for peasants holding 10 jerib[5] or less land) was fixed thus:

Para 3 of the decree fully exempted “landless persons who work on a landowner’s land as peasant or hireling [wage (day)-laborer]” from paying any dues and usury to the landowners and usurers.

Para 4 of the decree fully exempted “landless peasants and those owning 10 jerib or less land” who were in debt to one or more persons on basis of mortgage and usury before 1974 from paying any mortgage and usury.

According to Para 5 of the decree, the sliding scale of repayment (for peasants holding 10 jerib or less land) of the original loan money-the interest due written off-was fixed thus:

...
Decree no. 7:[6] concerning “Mahr” (“bride price”) and Marriage Expenditures. The introductory paragraph stated that the goal of the decree is “to ensure equality of rights between women and men in the domain of civil law, to eliminate unjust patriarchal feudal relations between wife and husband and to further strengthen good familial relations”.

Its most controversial provision was para 3 which fixed the price of mahr at 300 Afghanis. It also criminalized: 1-a girl’s marriage based on exchange for money and goods; 2-forced marriage; 3-acts that either prevent a widow, because of family or tribal kinship, from willfully re-marrying or forcing them to an unwanted marriage (in Afghanistan it is common practice that a brother may marry a dead or disappeared brother’s wife in order to provide their livelihood and protect the honor of the family). It further fixed the age for engagement and marriage at 16 for women and 18 for men, thus, effectively banning child marriage.


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The Bowe Bergdahl of the USSR?

Here one can see the case of the last Soviet in Afghanistan... Gennady Nikmamat.

This is the unique story of Gennady-Nikmamat, a former Soviet soldier who was captured by the Mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. He was presumed a turncoat, which carried a criminal penalty if he ever returned to his homeland.

Thus he had no choice but to stay in Afghanistan and adopt a Muslim way of life. Gennady-Nikmamat married an Afghan woman, had four children with her and has lived a full life, but he never abandoned the dream of returning home. After finally coming back to Ukraine to see his relatives and visit his parents' graves for the first time, he still can't decide whether it was better that he survived or if he should have ended up just another unknown soldier lost in the turmoil of war.




Nikmamat raised a beautiful family in Afghanistan and was welcomed by his relatives in Ukraine upon revisiting Ukraine. At about the 20:30 mark of the above video though we can see how Nikmamats former Soviet fellow soldiers reacted to Nikmamat coming home. It appeared to be a frustrated reaction as these former Soviet Soldiers wanted answers from Nikmamat on what exactly happened to Nikmamat during the Soviet Afghan war, answers which they did not appear to get. Either way its an interesting story.
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Just a mere two decades before Communism took a hold in Afghanistan, the country was ran by monarchy.


Couple the Communist and Monarchist history together..one can see that it is possible for a more free and equal society to take hold in Afghanistan.
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In the 1920s Afghan leaders like Amanullah Khan, influenced by European liberalism, paved the way for numerous social advancements in Afghanistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanul...isit_to_Europe


Decades later the Communist revoultion also helped to bring even more social change to Afghanistan.

Communist ideologies influenced millions of Afghan Muslim men and women to bring forth some of the most liberal ideologies the middle east has ever seen.

When there is a situation involving grown men whom want to enslave others and enforce an unequal status among people, severe action needs to be taken. I dont know if the OP of the few other anti Commies itt understands the plight of Afghan people in the 1980s, a time when card carrying Communists of Afghanistan were the people watching hockey and soccer games and the Taliban types were attacking them for doing so. Many folks in the so called West are unaware of Communist Afghanistan, they imagine Afghan people as all being cave dwelling religious conservative Muslims...in realty though the Afghan people as late as the early 1990s were dressing just as men and women in the west dress, and were very much interested in History, social values, nightclubs, good music, etc.

Communist Muslim Afghan ideology included the discontinuation of criminal child and forced marriage, the discontinuation of bigoted marriage segregation policies, and a emphasis on equality among man and women. While one can agree or disagree with Communism, it is clear the Communists of Afghanistan were the good guys, its not a case of a lesser of two evils,

The most important of the decrees issued by the Revolutionary Council were decrees No. 6, 7, and 8. They dealt with the following:

Decree no. 6:[4] concerning cancelation of debts, loans, mortgages and revenues due from peasants to the usurers and big landlords (in most cases inherited debt from generation to generation of peasants). According to para 2 of this decree, the sliding scale of repayment (for peasants holding 10 jerib[5] or less land) was fixed thus:

Para 3 of the decree fully exempted “landless persons who work on a landowner’s land as peasant or hireling [wage (day)-laborer]” from paying any dues and usury to the landowners and usurers.

Para 4 of the decree fully exempted “landless peasants and those owning 10 jerib or less land” who were in debt to one or more persons on basis of mortgage and usury before 1974 from paying any mortgage and usury.

According to Para 5 of the decree, the sliding scale of repayment (for peasants holding 10 jerib or less land) of the original loan money-the interest due written off-was fixed thus:

...
Decree no. 7:[6] concerning “Mahr” (“bride price”) and Marriage Expenditures. The introductory paragraph stated that the goal of the decree is “to ensure equality of rights between women and men in the domain of civil law, to eliminate unjust patriarchal feudal relations between wife and husband and to further strengthen good familial relations”.

Its most controversial provision was para 3 which fixed the price of mahr at 300 Afghanis. It also criminalized: 1-a girl’s marriage based on exchange for money and goods; 2-forced marriage; 3-acts that either prevent a widow, because of family or tribal kinship, from willfully re-marrying or forcing them to an unwanted marriage (in Afghanistan it is common practice that a brother may marry a dead or disappeared brother’s wife in order to provide their livelihood and protect the honor of the family). It further fixed the age for engagement and marriage at 16 for women and 18 for men, thus, effectively banning child marriage.


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I agree part of the reason the Stans are far more advanced and civilized is because soviets suppressed islam and the tribal customs for a long time , settled there and essentially changed the culture of the society

again a classic example of us backing the wrong horse during the cold war
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