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Navy 'Taking a Hard Look' At Pulling Frigates Out of Mothballs

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Navy brass are seriously examining the possibility of pulling seven or eight of its Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates out of retirement as the service works to surge its numbers. ...
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"Have you ever smelled moth balls?"

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"How did you get their little legs apart?"

Back on topic I was very happy to have never served on USS DIW.
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The OHP's are toothless. Their missile system is obsolete. That's why the launcher was cut off and the system maintenance is no longer being done. That means they go to sea with a 3" gun and a CWIS as their armament. Even the ones with enlarged flight decks aft can't handle the SH 60, nor can the hangers take one.

Now, if they were pulled out and underwent major upgrades...
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With no AAW capability, they might as well be known as the coffin-class. Having numbers just to have numbers just doesn't cut it.
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With no AAW capability, they might as well be known as the coffin-class. Having numbers just to have numbers just doesn't cut it.
No ASW (they have just the old Mk 32 torpedo tubes for close-in work) and no helicopter.
No SSW (the 3" is for self-defense as is the CWIS. No Harpoon which isn't supported any more, no ASROC, no Standard SM-2)
No AAW (just self-defense)

Basically, they're a show the flag presence and nothing more. Even as a sensor platform they're almost useless. Their NTDS links are minimal, as are the sensors aboard.
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They're more useless than an LCS.
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They're more useless than an LCS.
Well, they can clear mines in a 45 foot wide path.
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Once...
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If there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the hulls or machinery then wouldn't it at least be possible to rebuild the ships to be more in line with new standards?
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I think it is a step in the right direction. They can replace some of the sensors and they can use drone helicopters if they have to. I bet they can replace the forward missile launcher with a VLS. It also indicates something if the Navy prefers these ships to LCS!

Maybe they can replace some of the radars with aircraft radar systems? They can certainly fit in the old suites and they can use systems already in stock.

Keep in mind these ships aren't for Battle Groups. I have been saying for years that the Navy should use a revamped OHP class for escorts.

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I can picture a whale boat out front, with a SA standing on the prow and tapping the water with his foot while covering his ears.

I'm also reminded that the bow gunner position on a PBR was referred to as the "minesweeper billet."
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And, those are as useless as a pair of DD teats on a rattlesnake...
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Is that an Arizona expression?
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Is that an Arizona expression?
DDs are destroyers. At least in my experience.
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Is that an Arizona expression?
Yep. Other places they substitute pump handle, or snow shovel...
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