HistoryNet.com RSS
ArmchairGeneral.com RSS

HistoryNet.com Articles
America's Civil War
American History
Aviation History
British Heritage
Civil War Times
MHQ
Military History
Vietnam
Wild West
World War II

ACG Online
ACG Magazine
Stuff We Like
War College
History News
Tactics 101
Carlo D'Este
Books

ACG Gaming
Boardgames
PC Game Reviews

ACG Network
Contact Us
Our Newsletter
Meet Our Staff
Advertise With Us

Sites We Support
HistoryNet.com
Once A Marine
The Art of Battle
Game Squad
Mil. History Podcast
Russian Army - WW2
Achtung Panzer!
Mil History Online

Go Back   Armchair General and HistoryNet >> The Best Forums in History > Historical Events & Eras > World War II

Notices and Announcements

World War II Discuss WW2. .

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07 May 14, 11:51
johnbryan's Avatar
johnbryan johnbryan is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
5 Year Service Ribbon Best Pin-Up Of World War II 
 
Real Name: John
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Michigan
Posts: 16,528
johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+] johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+] johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+] johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+] johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+] johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+] johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+] johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+] johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+] johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+] johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+] johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+] johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+] johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+] johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+] johnbryan has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
From Tragedy to Triumph The British Pacific Fleet in WWII Part II

For the first six months of Japan's Pacific War against the Allies in World War II, their army and navy conquered a greatly expanded overseas empire comprising much of Asia and the Pacific Ocean from the far off Aleutian Islands to New Guinea, at little cost. They invaded and seized the Dutch East Indies, the Philippine Islands, Malaya and every worthwhile island and atoll chain that lay in between. The Japanese Army would eventually stand at the very gates of India. They were clearly an irresistible military power in its terrible ascendency, although this was only the first round of what would prove to be a bitter fight to the death. After absorbing the first terrible shattering military blows, the Allies withdrew to regroup and await reinforcements in men, ships and aircraft that would eventually turn the tide of battle and the war in their favor.

By early 1945, the once much vaunted and feared Japanese Navy was now but a broken, anemic shadow of its formerly powerful self. The increasing pressure of ever mounting, irreplaceable naval losses and military defeats throughout the Solomon Islands in 1942-43, leading to the twin overwhelming, strategic defeats at the Battles of the Philippine Sea and Leyte Gulf in 1944 spelled the complete destruction of Japanese aircraft carrier naval aviation, and the loss of thousands of their most experienced pilots, sailors and many dozens of their precious warships. At the same time, continuing US long range B-29 fire bombing raids on the Japanese home island cities meant the killing or displacement of a large portion of the Japanese populace as they were left homeless. The air raids also caused the near complete destruction of the nation's remaining industrial production facilities. In addition, the ever worsening losses of merchant shipping due to the Allied unrestricted submarine warfare campaign not only meant the disruption of remaining Japanese war production, but the very real possibility of famine breaking out among its already hungry civilian populace. The now badly weakened and tottering Japanese Empire was on the verge of complete military defeat and utter collapse as the Allies now closed in for the kill.

With the final defeat of Germany in May 1945, the British Far Eastern Fleet would now grow quickly and exponentially within the coming days with the release of dozens of British warships and fleet auxiliary ships from home waters. These ships were immediately sent out to the Pacific. Upon arrival, they were to both execute and embark upon their own military operations against the remaining Japanese ships and military garrisons in the Far East, as well as operating in concert alongside their US Navy allies. This amicable working relationship had begun the year before when the American aircraft carrier USS Saratoga operated along with the British aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious to launch bombing raids against the Japanese held oil well and gas installations in the Dutch East Indies. The foundations of mutual good will, shared sacrifice, and a common goal that began there would carry over during the US invasions of Iwo Jima, Okinawa and eventually, the planned-for invasions of the Japanese home islands. A fleet of some 6 British fleet aircraft carriers, four light carriers, 9 escort carriers, four modern battleships and literally hundreds of lighter British and Commonwealth warships and support vessels now formed the back bone of this powerful force, and were soon operating as the newly named British Pacific Fleet. They were based out of Sydney Australia. In addition, the 4th Submarine Flotilla was transferred to the Far East to be based out of Fremantle Western Australia. They quickly made their presence known in the Pacific Theatre of Operations by sinking a number of remaining Japanese merchant ships in addition to a respectable number of Japanese warships on the high seas. The British submarine force shut down the vital Japanese sea supply route to their forces in Burma by effectively closing the Strait of Malacca. The newly arrived flotilla went as far as staging a raid on the very heart of Singapore Harbor by using two midget submarines to attack Japanese warships anchored there. Using Limpet mines and high explosive demolition charges, the pair of mini subs blew the bottom out of the heavy cruiser TAKAO and sank her at her moorings.

The rapid growth and sudden arrival of the British Pacific Fleet quickly proved to be yet another nail in the Japanese Empire's coffin. On 17 July 1945, the British battleship King George V operating along with an American battleship task force comprised of the USS Iowa, Missouri, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Alabama bombarded targets around the city of Hitachi northeast of Tokyo. The damage to the city was considered light with only three of nine military targets hard hit. The B-29 firebomb raids of a few days later destroyed 79% of the city. However, the official history of the U.S. Navy states that "individual Japanese" considered the naval bombardments to be far more terrifying than the later air attacks. The crucial difference being, the Japanese people could see these warships operating brazenly and without fear a few miles offshore in broad daylight, whereas the B-29 bombers came at night.

On 29 July, Allied battleships USS South Dakota, Indiana, Massachusetts and HMS King George V returned to bombard the enemy industrial production facilities and naval installations in and around the city of Hamamatsu in the suburbs of nearby Tokyo. King George V alone fired some 265 14-inch main battery shells at various targets in some 27 minutes. This proved to be the final occasion that a British battleship fired main battery salvos in anger during wartime. To sum up the Allied naval artillery bombardments:

"The Allied naval bombardments were successful in disrupting the Japanese steel industry. While several of the factories were operating at reduced capacity, the important Kamasishi and Wanishi Iron Works suffered heavy damage when they were bombarded in July and August. During both of these attacks, the Allied gunnery was accurate and focused on the factories' coke batteries, which were critical to continued production."

At about the same time, British carrier aircraft operating along with US Carrier Task Force 38 planes began hammering a series of Japanese seaports, factories and arsenals along the coast. On one such attack mission they hit and badly damaged one of the last remaining Japanese aircraft carriers still afloat.

The few serviceable Japanese navy warships left were now either stationed near their remaining sources of oil and gas in their conquered territories of the Dutch East Indies, or bottled up in homeland ports because of unrepaired battle damage and lack of fuel. Whenever a Japanese warship set sail from the Dutch East Indies it was common practice for them to take aboard hundreds of 55 gallon drums filled with fuel oil, because there were so few Japanese oil tankers and fleet oilers remaining following their utter evisceration and decimation by the Allied unrestricted submarine warfare campaign. As a result, these remaining Japanese light and heavier warship units were now used in roles never intended for them because there were so few remaining fast military transport and cargo ships to carry badly needed fighting men and supplies from one place to another due to the loss of so many ships.

The fortunes of war were also not kind to the four executioners of the HMS Exeter, HMS Encounter and USS Pope. The heavy cruiser IJN NACHI, after suffering collision damage with her sister cruiser MOGAMI during the Battle of Leyte Gulf, put into Manila Bay for dry dock repairs. She suffered further damage from US carrier air attacks but managed to make hasty repairs. As she was preparing to get underway, a second and third follow up wave of US carrier air attacks smothered her with over 25 bombs and 8 torpedoes blowing off the heavy cruiser's bow and stern and sinking her with a heavy loss of life in 102 feet of water some 12 nautical miles northeast of Corregidor Island. On13 December 1944, the heavy cruiser IJN MYOKO, after leaving Singapore enroute to Camranh Bay, French Indo-China (Vietnam), was hit by a number of torpedoes by the submarine USS BERGALL. The torpedo hits blew off most of the cruiser's stern. She was towed back to Singapore and placed in dry dock, but soon found to be unrepairable. MYOKO was relegated to the role of a floating, stationary anti-aircraft battery in Singapore Harbor for the remainder of the war.

By this time Allied code breakers had broken the Japanese military codes and were secretly reading their military messages almost in real time. Armed with this information, they were able to keep close tabs on all remaining serviceable Japanese warships and their planned sorties. On 9 May 1945, the British Far Eastern Fleet executed "Operation Dukedom", the hunt for the heavy cruiser IJN. HAGURO. The Japanese heavy cruiser and a single escorting destroyer IJN KAMAKAZE were ordered on a supply mission to take food and military cargo to the Port Blair garrison in the Andaman Islands. On the return leg of their voyage they were to evacuate a large number of Japanese troops to augment their military garrison at Singapore. The Royal Navy 26th Destroyer Flotilla, consisting of destroyers HMS Virago, Verulam, Saumerez, Vigilent and Venus, under overall command of Captain Manley L. Powers now moved to set a trap and intercept the Japanese warships in the Malacca Straits. Around midnight of 16 May 1945, British radar picked up the HAGURO and her destroyer escort at a range of 28,000 yards. The British destroyers rang up full speed and took up a semi-circle formation to allow the two Japanese warships to enter into the center of their trap. The two opposing task forces were now approaching each other at a combined speed of over 60mph. Sometime after 0114 hours, the British sprang their trap to launch their torpedoes and open fire on the enemy ships from all directions. The surprised Japanese returned fire and manage to hit the Saumerez with both 8 inch and 5 inch shellfire before reversing their course. The two enemy ships began zig-zagging, but it was too late. HAGURO was staggered by at least six torpedo hits, each one sending towering, cascading waterspouts skyward. HAGURO soon settled and sank bow first at around 0230 hours. HAGURO's escorting destroyer IJN KAMAKAZE, although damaged, managed to escape the trap. The Battle of the Malacca Strait was the final surface naval action of WWII.


This left the Japanese heavy cruiser IJN. ASHIGARA to be dealt with. On 8 June 1945, with over 1,500 Japanese troops aboard, ASHIGARA was bound for Singapore but ran afoul of Allied submarines. Submarine USS Blueback sent a coded ULTRA radio message telling of ASHIGARA's recent departure from Batavia (Dutch East Indies), but was not in position to make a torpedo attack. The British submarine HMS Trenchant had better luck. Her Commander Arthur R. Hezlet found the ASHIGARA hugging the shallow waters just off the Sumatra coast. Sighting through his periscope, he fired 8 torpedoes at the cruiser from both his bow and stern tubes. ASHIGARA frantically tried to evade the inbound torpedoes but was unable to do so because of the closeness to shallow coastal shoal waters on one side and a mine field on the other. Five torpedoes slammed into ASHIGARA reducing her to flaming, sinking wreckage. She soon capsized and sank with many of her crew, and most of the army troops still aboard. Once again the Japanese destroyer KAMIKAZE was on the scene and managed to rescue 853 sailors and nearly 400 half drowned army troops from the water.


With the dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese realized the utterly hopeless nature of their military situation. They finally agreed to a complete and formal unconditional surrender to the victorious Allied powers. Among the last naval air actions of WW II occurred on VJ-Day with British and US carrier planes shooting down a number of threatening Japanese aircraft who violated the agreed upon surrender conditions. American Admiral Halsey implored his combat air patrols jokingly. "Make sure to shoot down those Japanese planes in as friendly a manner as possible.". The British Pacific Fleet was well represented at Japan's surrender ceremonies in Tokyo Bay. Among the British and Commonwealth warships present were the battleships HMS Duke of York, King George V, the escort carriers HMS Speaker and Salamaua the heavy cruisers HMAS Shropshire, the light cruisers HMNZS Gambia, HMAS Hobart and HMS Newfoundland. As the final signatures were affixed to the surrender document a salute of hundreds of Allied bombers and carrier aircraft suddenly thundered overhead, so perished the dreams and martial depredations of the Japanese Empire. To sum up the end of the WWII Japanese Fleet, historian Bernard Edwards writes an equally appropriate and fitting epitaph of the final moments of the heavy cruiser IJN HAGURO in his book "Salvo! Classic Naval Gun Actions":

"The HAGURO went down, hit by three torpedoes simultaneously in a triple explosion an eye witness described as sending up 'three gold-coloured splashes like a Prince of Wales feathers.' Hallucination or portent- who is to say? But so ended the day of the big gun at sea."

Byline: War Gamer Magazine Written by John B. Dudek.
__________________
"Profanity is but a linguistic crutch for illiterate motherbleepers"
Reply With Quote
Facebook Connect and Magazine Promotions

World War II Magazine
$26.95

Armchair General Magazine
$26.95
Military History Magazine
$26.95
  #2  
Old 07 May 14, 12:06
Arnold J Rimmer's Avatar
Arnold J Rimmer Arnold J Rimmer is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Red Dwarf
Posts: 8,448
Arnold J Rimmer is a jewel in the rough [500]
Arnold J Rimmer is a jewel in the rough [500] Arnold J Rimmer is a jewel in the rough [500] Arnold J Rimmer is a jewel in the rough [500] Arnold J Rimmer is a jewel in the rough [500] Arnold J Rimmer is a jewel in the rough [500] Arnold J Rimmer is a jewel in the rough [500] Arnold J Rimmer is a jewel in the rough [500] Arnold J Rimmer is a jewel in the rough [500] Arnold J Rimmer is a jewel in the rough [500] Arnold J Rimmer is a jewel in the rough [500]
One can only imagine the reactions of the RN crews who, after the end of the fighting in the ETO, were immediately dispatched to the PTO while the Army was settling in for the occupation of Europe...
__________________
Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07 May 14, 14:05
OpanaPointer's Avatar
OpanaPointer OpanaPointer is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 6,717
OpanaPointer has a spectacular aura about [400]
OpanaPointer has a spectacular aura about [400] OpanaPointer has a spectacular aura about [400] OpanaPointer has a spectacular aura about [400]
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/UN/U...-II/index.html

Sorry, don't have the last two volumes online yet.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07 May 14, 14:10
Dibble201Bty's Avatar
Dibble201Bty Dibble201Bty is offline
General of the Forums
England
5 Year Service Ribbon Best Pin-Up Of World War II Greatest/Best Tank of WW2 Campaign 
 
Real Name: Paul B
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St. Albans
Posts: 8,143
Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100]
Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
One can only imagine the reactions of the RN crews who, after the end of the fighting in the ETO, were immediately dispatched to the PTO while the Army was settling in for the occupation of Europe...
And Pray what of the British of the 14th Army and RAF?

Paul
__________________
‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
All human ills he can subdue,
Or with a bauble or medal
Can win mans heart for you;
And many a blessing know to stew
To make a friendship bright;
Give honour to the dainty Corse,
The Pixie is a little shite.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07 May 14, 15:57
Half Pint John's Avatar
Half Pint John Half Pint John is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
March Offensive 100 Greatest Generals, 2008 Distinguished Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon 
Summer Campaign Most Decisive Battle Campaign, 2008 Greatest Westerns Campaign Greatest Spy Movies Campaign 
Greatest Blunders Campaign Best Pin-Up Of World War II 
 
Real Name: John "The HUMBLE"
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Stuttgart Germany
Posts: 36,021
Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
The UK had interest in the Aleutian Islands?

By late 44 there was little left of the IJN except scrapes from the floor. With or without the RN and CW Navies the out come and time line would have changed little.

Go and attack Borneo so you can puff up your chest. With or without it it was cut off from the homeland for some time. Three cheers for the King.

Why the PTO was by far the largest AO of WWII and the US did not fight it alone...they could have. Thanks to the Assies and Kiwi's. The UK seemed to have pushed the PTO on to the back burner after Singapore. Wasn't much of the defense in the PTO left to the CW forces? My the time of the fall of Germany just how much work was there in the PTO that the USN din't have well in hand.

Seems much like the oft heard that the US didn't get involved until one and a half years after the start of the war in Europe. It looks to me that the UK took even longer in the PTO.

Canadian, Australian and NZ navys also spent the war in the PTO serving with distinction.
__________________
"Ask not what your country can do for you"

If God wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates.*


NO one wins a war!!!! They just lose less.

Last edited by Half Pint John; 08 May 14 at 09:09..
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07 May 14, 16:13
Half Pint John's Avatar
Half Pint John Half Pint John is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
March Offensive 100 Greatest Generals, 2008 Distinguished Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon 
Summer Campaign Most Decisive Battle Campaign, 2008 Greatest Westerns Campaign Greatest Spy Movies Campaign 
Greatest Blunders Campaign Best Pin-Up Of World War II 
 
Real Name: John "The HUMBLE"
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Stuttgart Germany
Posts: 36,021
Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dibble201Bty View Post
And Pray what of the British of the 14th Army and RAF?

Paul
OK, Other than stumbling around in the jungles what strategic advances it it offer? It protected India long after Burma was of much importance to the out come of the war.

Now go down to your pub and lift one to the importance of the UK in the PTO.
__________________
"Ask not what your country can do for you"

If God wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates.*


NO one wins a war!!!! They just lose less.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07 May 14, 16:31
OpanaPointer's Avatar
OpanaPointer OpanaPointer is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 6,717
OpanaPointer has a spectacular aura about [400]
OpanaPointer has a spectacular aura about [400] OpanaPointer has a spectacular aura about [400] OpanaPointer has a spectacular aura about [400]
Nimitz told the RN they could come play in his pond if they brought their own toys, and their own supplies.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07 May 14, 20:24
Toomtabard's Avatar
Toomtabard Toomtabard is offline
Sergeant
Scotland
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Kirkcaldy
Posts: 123
Toomtabard is on the path to success [1-99] Toomtabard is on the path to success [1-99] Toomtabard is on the path to success [1-99] Toomtabard is on the path to success [1-99]
British aircrat carriers in the Pacific theatre in 1944 /45 had one huge advantage over US Navy flatops -especially during the Kamikazes.British aircraft carriers decks were armoured -in contrast to their American counterparts so that if a British carrier had been hit as the USS Franklin was it would not have suffered the terrible damage that ''Franklin' with her wooden flight decks sustained.
Also between 1944-45 36 Royal Navy submarines operated in tandem with the USN and Royal Nerthlands Navy subs from Fremantle Australia against Japanese shipping.
In July 1945 Royal Navy submarines -''Spark'' and ''Stygian' sailed from Subic Bay where they towed Midget subs XE1 and XE 3 to the eastern aproaches of Singapoere Strait where these midgets attacked IJN Heavy cruisers.'
The XE class midget subs were designed for offensive opeartions in the Pacific.
From February 1945 the XE class subs depot ship HMS Bonaventure was placed under the command of Admiral Kincaid USN 's command at Subic Bay..
Similarly , on July 26 1945 HMS Spearhead sailed from Brunei Bay carrying midget sub XE 4 to the apprroaches of Saigon (Vietnam) where it cut the Saigon-Hong Kong and Saigon -Singapore submarine telegraph cables .This was done in hazardois conditions under the Japanese's noses by Royal Navy divers who brought back 30 centimerte lengths of the cables as proof of success..So any suggestion that the RN presence in the Pacific in 1944-45 was mere tokenism should be resisted.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07 May 14, 20:45
Dibble201Bty's Avatar
Dibble201Bty Dibble201Bty is offline
General of the Forums
England
5 Year Service Ribbon Best Pin-Up Of World War II Greatest/Best Tank of WW2 Campaign 
 
Real Name: Paul B
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St. Albans
Posts: 8,143
Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100]
Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Half Pint John View Post
OK, Other than stumbling around in the jungles what strategic advances it it offer? It protected India long after Burma was of much importance to the out come of the war.

Now go down to your pub and lift one to the importance of the UK in the PTO.
The point is that the the war didn't end in May for the British. They were still fighting and fighting hard in some the most inhospitable areas on earth and not sitting back in Germany with their feet up.

Paul
__________________
‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
All human ills he can subdue,
Or with a bauble or medal
Can win mans heart for you;
And many a blessing know to stew
To make a friendship bright;
Give honour to the dainty Corse,
The Pixie is a little shite.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08 May 14, 03:38
Aber's Avatar
Aber Aber is offline
Brigadier General
Wales
5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Aberystwyth
Posts: 2,038
Aber has demonstrated strength of character [100] Aber has demonstrated strength of character [100] Aber has demonstrated strength of character [100] Aber has demonstrated strength of character [100] Aber has demonstrated strength of character [100] Aber has demonstrated strength of character [100] Aber has demonstrated strength of character [100] Aber has demonstrated strength of character [100] Aber has demonstrated strength of character [100] Aber has demonstrated strength of character [100]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Half Pint John View Post
OK, Other than stumbling around in the jungles what strategic advances it it offer? It protected India long after Burma was of much importance to the out come of the war.

Now go down to your pub and lift one to the importance of the UK in the PTO.
So how many US divisions were in combat in the Pacific at any one time before the invasion of the Philippines, and why was the US so desperate to get the British to open the Burma Road to keep China fighting?

And don't forget the USS Robin.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

  #11  
Old 08 May 14, 06:02
Wooden Wonder's Avatar
Wooden Wonder Wooden Wonder is offline
Major
UK
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 956
Wooden Wonder is on the path to success [1-99] Wooden Wonder is on the path to success [1-99] Wooden Wonder is on the path to success [1-99] Wooden Wonder is on the path to success [1-99] Wooden Wonder is on the path to success [1-99] Wooden Wonder is on the path to success [1-99]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dibble201Bty View Post
And Pray what of the British of the 14th Army and RAF?

Paul
They were too busy listening to Vera Lynn -

ps. johnbryan - I saw HMS Newfoundland about 10 years later, parked up alongside HMS Newcastle, which was also parked alongside HMS Tamar {Hong Kong - shore station]. There were several more WWII types in the harbour including a US heavy cruiser - Toledo I believe, and an aircraft carrier I can't remember the name of.

Last edited by Wooden Wonder; 08 May 14 at 06:13..
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08 May 14, 07:10
OpanaPointer's Avatar
OpanaPointer OpanaPointer is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 6,717
OpanaPointer has a spectacular aura about [400]
OpanaPointer has a spectacular aura about [400] OpanaPointer has a spectacular aura about [400] OpanaPointer has a spectacular aura about [400]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toomtabard View Post
British aircrat carriers in the Pacific theatre in 1944 /45 had one huge advantage over US Navy flatops -especially during the Kamikazes.British aircraft carriers decks were armoured -in contrast to their American counterparts so that if a British carrier had been hit as the USS Franklin was it would not have suffered the terrible damage that ''Franklin' with her wooden flight decks sustained.
Also between
The difference in numbers of aircraft carried made up for the possible losses.

And remember, with an armored flight deck Yorktown doesn't make it to Midway.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08 May 14, 09:05
Half Pint John's Avatar
Half Pint John Half Pint John is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
March Offensive 100 Greatest Generals, 2008 Distinguished Service Award 5 Year Service Ribbon 
Summer Campaign Most Decisive Battle Campaign, 2008 Greatest Westerns Campaign Greatest Spy Movies Campaign 
Greatest Blunders Campaign Best Pin-Up Of World War II 
 
Real Name: John "The HUMBLE"
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Stuttgart Germany
Posts: 36,021
Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dibble201Bty View Post
The point is that the the war didn't end in May for the British. They were still fighting and fighting hard in some the most inhospitable areas on earth and not sitting back in Germany with their feet up.

Paul
Appears you knowledge on the PTO can be placed on a pin head.
__________________
"Ask not what your country can do for you"

If God wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates.*


NO one wins a war!!!! They just lose less.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08 May 14, 14:00
Dibble201Bty's Avatar
Dibble201Bty Dibble201Bty is offline
General of the Forums
England
5 Year Service Ribbon Best Pin-Up Of World War II Greatest/Best Tank of WW2 Campaign 
 
Real Name: Paul B
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St. Albans
Posts: 8,143
Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100]
Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100] Dibble201Bty is a pillar of the community [1100]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Half Pint John View Post
Appears you knowledge on the PTO can be placed on a pin head.
As opposed to your brain size being in competition with a pin head.

Paul
__________________
‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
All human ills he can subdue,
Or with a bauble or medal
Can win mans heart for you;
And many a blessing know to stew
To make a friendship bright;
Give honour to the dainty Corse,
The Pixie is a little shite.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Please bookmark this thread if you enjoyed it!


Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:47.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.