Civil War quotes.

[Eric Wittenberg]

Originally Posted by B7B Southern

I only know of what I have read and I won't repeat myself.
He badgers Southern Heritage in his bios.

What is Southern heritage?

[AboveAverage484]

The Rebel flag and loud trucks. I think.

[dgfred]

Maybe saying "Y'all" and "hey" instead of hi ?

[hellboy30]

Originally Posted by B7B Southern

Thanks for the post. I continue to learn from you.
With that being said, in reading Simpson's bio he surrounds himself
with about 80% opinions which include Southern Heritage and his disapproval of it.
That is an attempt at taking something away from the Southern people.
Pure revisionist.

Be that as it mayhe does bring up some incredibly pertinent points-I agree that Butler was using Lincoln's death to "toot" his own horn & I thoroughly believe that he made up the vast majority of it. Since you cannot collaborate it with ANY witnesses & since several of the points that were brought up are flat wrong if not dubious in fact, then I have to say it is not true. It's just like that made-up Grant quote about him quiting if the war turned to freeing the slaves.....it goes against the grain of Grant & there is nothing other than a newspaper article that convienently comes out AFTER his death claiming he said it. Funny how all these strange quotes come out AFTER these folks cannot verify or deny them.

[B7B Southern]

Originally Posted by Eric Wittenberg

What is Southern heritage?

Southern Heritage to me.

First and foremost, being born in The State of Presidents.
Also to know my G-Grandfather served the Confederate
States of America under the leadership of one of the
worlds Greatest Soldiers, General Robert E. Lee.

I will continue as long as I am alive to protect and cherish
this Heritage and to pass it on to those I love the task these
Men had before them for 4 long and dangerous years to win
the Independence of the South which alluded them.

Even though these men didn’t achieve their goal, both proceeded
to continue their lives together and support this Great country of America.
I take a great deal of pride in remembering how both of these
Southern men lived and my Heritage of belonging to the Ancestors
of the Great Conflict, The Civil War.

Marshall

[hellboy30]

Originally Posted by B7B Southern

Southern Heritage to me.

First and foremost, being born in The State of Presidents.
Also to know my G-Grandfather served the Confederate
States of America under the leadership of one of the
worlds Greatest Soldiers, General Robert E. Lee.

I will continue as long as I am alive to protect and cherish
this Heritage and to pass it on to those I love the task these
Men had before them for 4 long and dangerous years to win
the Independence of the South which alluded them.

Even though these men didn’t achieve their goal, both proceeded
to continue their lives together and support this Great country of America.
I take a great deal of pride in remembering how both of these
Southern men lived and my Heritage of belonging to the Ancestors
of the Great Conflict, The Civil War.

Marshall

Marshall, I can respect that when it is you building up that person. Heritage not hate. Isn't that the "motto" of most of the SCV groups? The problem is, rather than post positive things about Lee & his ilk, you start posting NEGATIVE things about Lincoln. Do you truly think that trying to tear down Lincoln somehow builds up Lee? Or the South? Or your "Southern Heritage"? Please explain that to me.

[B7B Southern]

Originally Posted by hellboy30

Marshall, I can respect that when it is you building up that person. Heritage not hate. Isn't that the "motto" of most of the SCV groups? The problem is, rather than post positive things about Lee & his ilk, you start posting NEGATIVE things about Lincoln. Do you truly think that trying to tear down Lincoln somehow builds up Lee? Or the South? Or your "Southern Heritage"? Please explain that to me.

I was asked what was my heritage mean and I responded.

Since when does posting Lincoln quotes tearing down Lincoln if they are Lincoln quotes? He said them as far as I know.

Oh, and I am not a member of any SCV organization and I never will be.

I never figured my response concerning my Heritage would upset anyone.
I would hope others are as proud of their Heritage as I am of mine.

[semperpietas]

As an Arkansan by state, I believe that above all I am an American. I am also proud of Southern Heritage, just not the lost cause Neo-Confederate wrapped in the battle flag. If I were to make a list of the greatest southerners, Robert E. Lee would not be on that list. He was a skilled battlefield commander, nothing more, and certainly not the god like figure that the Lost Cause portrayed him to be. He certainly wasn't America's greatest soldier, a title that goes to George C. Marshall in my opinion. I would not even call him the greatest soldier the south ever produced. Winfield Scott deserves that title. Of my own ancestors, three served the Confederacy. One, Christoper Newman, saw service in Longstreet's Corps from Virginia to East Tennessee before he was captured. Upon parole in 1864 he enlisted in the Union Army. Another, James K. Polk Bussell, enlisted in a Louisiana Infantry unit, but when it disbanded joined an Arkansas Cavalry unit. He deserted in December of 1862, disgusted after the Confederate Congress passed the Twenty Slave Law (I have the letter he wrote home afterward to prove it) and joined the Union army in Missouri. I won't hesitate for a second to say the war was about essentially about slavery, that secession is unconstitutional and wrong, that nothing justifies the racist policies that the South pursued after the war, and the Lost Cause grossly distorted our nation's history with lies, damned lies, and outright slander.

But I digress. I am proud that some of the greatest contributors to science and civil rights in our country, like George Washington Carver and Martin Luther King Jr., were southerners. That the nation's founding father was a Virginian, George Washington. That men like Winfield Scott, David Farragut, George Thomas, and Simon Bolivar Buckner Jr. have contributed greatly to the United States Military and it's history. That is the history of the south that one can be proud of.

[hellboy30]

Originally Posted by semperpietas

As an Arkansan by state, I believe that above all I am an American. I am also proud of Southern Heritage, just not the lost cause Neo-Confederate wrapped in the battle flag. If I were to make a list of the greatest southerners, Robert E. Lee would not be on that list. He was a skilled battlefield commander, nothing more, and certainly not the god like figure that the Lost Cause portrayed him to be. He certainly wasn't America's greatest soldier, a title that goes to George C. Marshall in my opinion. I would not even call him the greatest soldier the south ever produced. Winfield Scott deserves that title. Of my own ancestors, three served the Confederacy. One, Christoper Newman, saw service in Longstreet's Corps from Virginia to East Tennessee before he was captured. Upon parole in 1864 he enlisted in the Union Army. Another, James K. Polk Bussell, enlisted in a Louisiana Infantry unit, but when it disbanded joined an Arkansas Cavalry unit. He deserted in December of 1862, disgusted after the Confederate Congress passed the Twenty Slave Law (I have the letter he wrote home afterward to prove it) and joined the Union army in Missouri. I won't hesitate for a second to say the war was about essentially about slavery, that secession is unconstitutional and wrong, that nothing justifies the racist policies that the South pursued after the war, and the Lost Cause grossly distorted our nation's history with lies, damned lies, and outright slander.

But I digress. I am proud that some of the greatest contributors to science and civil rights in our country, like George Washington Carver and Martin Luther King Jr., were southerners. That the nation's founding father was a Virginian, George Washington. That men like Winfield Scott, David Farragut, George Thomas, and Simon Bolivar Buckner Jr. have contributed greatly to the United States Military and it's history. That is the history of the south that one can be proud of.

[Eric Wittenberg]

Originally Posted by B7B Southern

Southern Heritage to me.

First and foremost, being born in The State of Presidents.
Also to know my G-Grandfather served the Confederate
States of America under the leadership of one of the
worlds Greatest Soldiers, General Robert E. Lee.

I will continue as long as I am alive to protect and cherish
this Heritage and to pass it on to those I love the task these
Men had before them for 4 long and dangerous years to win
the Independence of the South which alluded them.

Even though these men didn’t achieve their goal, both proceeded
to continue their lives together and support this Great country of America.
I take a great deal of pride in remembering how both of these
Southern men lived and my Heritage of belonging to the Ancestors
of the Great Conflict, The Civil War.

Marshall

Marshall,

I respect this definition a great deal, and if yours was the only definition of this term out there, I doubt anyone would have even the slightest problem with it.

Sadly, the Lost Causers and neo-Confederates have warped this into an excuse for rationalizing slavery, for trying to make slavery less of an evil, by claiming that the Civil War was not about ending slavery in any way, but rather for the North to dominate the South, and for justifying secession. They say horrifying but amusing things like "heritage is more important than history, so it doesn't matter if our version of history is accurate." They viciously and relentlessly attack anyone who doesn't agree with them and accuse them of being anti-Southern. You don't do that, which is why I respect you.

As long as you don't associate yourself with those people, you're good with me. And you would be with Brooks too.

Eric

[hellboy30]

Originally Posted by B7B Southern

I was asked what was my heritage mean and I responded.

Since when does posting Lincoln quotes tearing down Lincoln if they are Lincoln quotes? He said them as far as I know.

Oh, and I am not a member of any SCV organization and I never will be.

I never figured my response concerning my Heritage would upset anyone.
I would hope others are as proud of their Heritage as I am of mine.

"He said them as far as I know." Yet when we pointed out the flaws in that, you are quick to defend them. Again, why pick the quotes (whether he said them or not)that tear him down? I could post some pretty mean & vile quotes from some of your beloved folks......but why? What does it prove beyond me being spiteful & hateful? You can celebrate your heritage without doing that. I really don't think you are THAT naive to think you are doing anything except that. Please don't play the Urkle card....."did I do that"? You know you did & we aren't stupid.

Let's get back to the quotes. We've beaten this horse enough.....

[Unionblue]

"The triumph of the Confederacy would be a victory of the powers of evil which would give courage to the enemies of progress and damp the spirits of friends all over the civilized world. The American Civil War is destined to be a turning point, for good or evil, of the course of human affairs." -- English philosopher, John Sturat Mill.

[B7B Southern]

Originally Posted by hellboy30

"He said them as far as I know." Yet when we pointed out the flaws in that, you are quick to defend them.

No more than you are at following along behind me to prove your point.
I don't complain about that.

Again, why pick the quotes (whether he said them or not)that tear him down?

Because it is what, if you are talking about Lincoln, he said and he was quoted.

I could post some pretty mean & vile quotes from some of your beloved folks......but why?

Hellboy, I don't know what your problem is other than trying to
get me to quit posting if I can't post what you like.

What does it prove beyond me being spiteful & hateful?

Spiteful and hateful?? Are you kidding me?? They are quotes from
a great man I thought. I am sorry that you think him perfect.

You can celebrate your heritage without doing that. I really don't think you are THAT naive to think you are doing anything except that. Please don't play the Urkle card....."did I do that"? You know you did & we aren't stupid.

Hey, now, I resent the hell over your accusations and insinuations.
It doesn't really sound like you. Someone must have called the dogs on me!

Let's get back to the quotes. We've beaten this horse enough.....

I am a little afraid to put anymore up now!

[hellboy30]

Originally Posted by B7B Southern

No more than you are at following along behind me to prove your point.
I don't complain about that.



Because it is what, if you are talking about Lincoln, he said and he was quoted.



Hellboy, I don't know what your problem is other than trying to
get me to quit posting if I can't post what you like.



Spiteful and hateful?? Are you kidding me?? They are quotes from
a great man I thought. I am sorry that you think him perfect.



Hey, now, I resent the hell over your accusations and insinuations.
It doesn't really sound like you. Someone must have called the dogs on me!



I am a little afraid to put anymore up now!

*sigh* Marshall, post what you will.....but don't be surprised when you draw some criticism.

[Jack Torrance]

"The proposition of an established classification of states as slave states and free states, as insisted on by some, and into northern and southern, as maintained by others, seems to me purely imaginary, and of course the supposed equilibrium of those classes a mere conceit. This must be so, because, when the Constitution was adopted, twelve of the thirteen states were slave states, and so there was no equilibrium. And so as to the classification of states as northern states and southern states. It is the maintenance of slavery by law in a state, not parallels of latitude, that makes its a southern state; and the absence of this, that makes it a northern state. And so all the states, save one, were southern states, and there was no equilibrium. But the Constitution was made not only for southern and northern states, but for states neither northern nor southern, namely, the western states, their coming in being foreseen and provided for."

William H. Seward, "Higher Law" speech.

"The slave system is one of constant danger, distrust, suspicion and watchfulness. It debases those whose toil alone can produce wealth and resources for defense to the lowest degree of which human nature is capable—to guard against mutiny and insurrection; and thus wastes energies which otherwise might be employed in national development and aggrandizement."

"Hitherto the two systems have existed in different States, but side by side within the American Union. This has happened because the Union is a confederation of States. But in another aspect the United States constitute only one nation. Increase of population, which is filling the States out to their very borders, together with a new and extended network of railroads and other avenues, and an internal commerce which daily becomes more intimate, is rapidly bringing the States into a higher and more perfect social unity or consolidation. Thus these antagonistic systems are continually coming into closer contact and collision results. 9
Shall I tell you what this collision means? They who think that it is accidental, unnecessary, the work of interested or fanatical agitators, and therefore ephemeral, mistake the case altogether. It is an irrepressible conflict between opposing and enduring forces, and it means that the United States must and will, sooner or later, become either entirely a slave-holding nation or entirely a free-labor nation."

William H. Seward, "Irrepressible Conflict" speech.