British Bases South Atlantic conflicts

[Pruitt]

Originally Posted by marktwain

Pruitt, or anyone, can a series of 5-6 kilo class subs, refurbished, defend the Argentine littoral against British nuclear submarines?

If we are engaging in fantasy, why don't we say they will get an ex-USN attack submarine? Besides the Argentine Navy had a Class 209 German built diesel sub and what did they do with it in the Falklands War?

Pruitt

[marktwain]

Originally Posted by Selous

Not as well as genetically engineered laser-powered cyber-Liplurodons. I wonder if the Argies are planning some?

Ok- point taken!

for 2013 the current Argentine drought does imit their options. I am ocurious how well the Kilo class stacks up in confined waters, thogh.
Algeria & Iran seem rather enamored or them...

[Cosmos]

A couple of thoughts about island hopping to get from the UK to the Falklands area.

1) The Anglo-Portuguese alliance is still in force so the Azores or Madeira could be the first hop then down to Tristan da Cunha

2) Take Tierra del Fuego by surprise and set up base there.

[marktwain]

Originally Posted by Cosmos

A couple of thoughts about island hopping to get from the UK to the Falklands area.

1) The Anglo-Portuguese alliance is still in force so the Azores or Madeira could be the first hop then down to Tristan da Cunha

2) Take Tierra del Fuego by surprise and set up base there.

Settign up an airstrip on T De C was looked at in 1940, in order to deny the use of the island group as U- boat emergency bases inthe south atlantic.

Nightingale island has an interior flat saddle, which could be turned into a paved airstrip.

Notoriously bad weAther. Navaid landing in emergencies woudl be rther standard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightingale_Islands

[ITALICA ONE]

The Malvinas belong to Argentina, but that's not the issue here, if the British continue building up its garrison within the islands, it may be Argentinas neighbours which expel the union jack from South American waters. I have visited Ura, Braz, and Paraguay, they dont care about the Argies vs Brits anymore, they just dont like seeing Britain flex thier military mucel so close to their shores and rub it in Argentinas face.


Death bed last words. Always pay the Legions, Septimius Severus
http://www.greatmilitarybattles.com/...d_islands.html

[johnbryan]

Originally Posted by ITALICA ONE

The Malvinas belong to Argentina, but that's not the issue here, if the British continue building up its garrison within the islands, it may be Argentinas neighbours which expel the union jack from South American waters. I have visited Ura, Braz, and Paraguay, they dont care about the Argies vs Brits anymore, they just dont like seeing Britain flex thier military mucel so close to their shores and rub it in Argentinas face.


Death bed last words. Always pay the Legions, Septimius Severus
http://www.greatmilitarybattles.com/...d_islands.html

Possesion is nine tenth's of the law. The current population of the Falkland Islands see themselves as British citizens and should be considered as such. In every election, they freely continue to overwhelmingly make this claim. Case closed.

[ITALICA ONE]

Originally Posted by johnbryan

Possesion is nine tenth's of the law. The current population of the Falkland Islands see themselves as British citizens and should be considered as such. In every election, they freely continue to overwhelmingly make this claim. Case closed.

Yes i agree, Britain won in 82 thats that, what im saying is most of South America does not like England's constant show of military force in the region, - who knows maybe some day they will ally themselves with Argentina


Death bed last words. Always pay the Legions, Septimius Severus

http://www.greatmilitarybattles.com/...d_islands.html

[andrewza]

there is all ways Simmons town. You use it all ready for reapers and RnR. Distance is a problem.

[johns624]

Originally Posted by ITALICA ONE

Yes i agree, Britain won in 82 thats that, what im saying is most of South America does not like England's constant show of military force in the region, - who knows maybe some day they will ally themselves with Argentina


Death bed last words. Always pay the Legions, Septimius Severus

http://www.greatmilitarybattles.com/...d_islands.html

Having a thousand men, 4 fighters and an occasional frigate around is a "show of military force"?
PS- If it ever came to that, which I doubt it would, an awful lot of "national symbols" of SA navies would soon find themselves at the bottom of the Atlantic when they find out that their ASW competence isn't up to what the RN's subs are used to exercising against.

[frisco17]

Originally Posted by ITALICA ONE

Yes i agree, Britain won in 82 thats that, what im saying is most of South America does not like England's constant show of military force in the region, - who knows maybe some day they will ally themselves with Argentina


Death bed last words. Always pay the Legions, Septimius Severus

http://www.greatmilitarybattles.com/...d_islands.html

Britain only has a military presence there at all because of the Argentine threat. If they didn't constantly threaten to attack the British wouldn't want to spend the money to keep a force of that size there.

I don't see a South American alliance against Britain either. Not only are many of those countries not all that fond of Argentina either but they would gain nothing from helping Argentina conquer the Falklands and would lose a whole lot more. Having their navies destroyed by the RN, to say nothing of the possibility of angering the United States, who I think would take a continental alliance attacking it's closest ally much more seriously than if it was just Argentina. The trade implications would be pretty nasty too.

[johnbryan]

Originally Posted by ITALICA ONE

Yes i agree, Britain won in 82 thats that, what im saying is most of South America does not like England's constant show of military force in the region, - who knows maybe some day they will ally themselves with Argentina


Death bed last words. Always pay the Legions, Septimius Severus

http://www.greatmilitarybattles.com/...d_islands.html

There was even less of a British military presence around the Falkland Islands back in '82 and it didn't stop the Argentinians. There was only the HMS Endurance, an ice patrol ship and a couple platoons of Royal Marines in and around the islands.

[marktwain]

[QUOTE=ITALICA ONE;2482312]The Malvinas belong to Argentina, but that's not the issue here, if the British continue building up its garrison within the islands, it may be Argentinas neighbours which expel the union jack from South American waters. I have visited Ura, Braz, and Paraguay, they dont care about the Argies vs Brits anymore, they just dont like seeing Britain flex thier military mucel so close to their shores and rub it in Argentinas face.


I beleive the last falkland referendum result was 95 5 %to stay in association wth Britain. Teh 'will of the people should rule

[ChrisF1987]

[QUOTE=marktwain;2482707]

Originally Posted by ITALICA ONE

The Malvinas belong to Argentina, but that's not the issue here, if the British continue building up its garrison within the islands, it may be Argentinas neighbours which expel the union jack from South American waters. I have visited Ura, Braz, and Paraguay, they dont care about the Argies vs Brits anymore, they just dont like seeing Britain flex thier military mucel so close to their shores and rub it in Argentinas face.


I beleive the last falkland referendum result was 95 5 %to stay in association wth Britain. Teh 'will of the people should rule

If they don't like it then they should tell Argentina to buzz off and respect the will of the Falkland Islanders. It's quite simple really, the only reason there is such a big British military presence is because the Argentinian government refuses to accept the concept of self determination!

[Michele]

Originally Posted by frisco17

I don't see a South American alliance against Britain either. Not only are many of those countries not all that fond of Argentina either but they would gain nothing from helping Argentina conquer the Falklands and would lose a whole lot more.

Of course. It should be obvious.