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Pope screws the pooch...

Pope holds Falklands sign urging Argentine-UK talks


Pope Francis has been photographed in the Vatican holding a sign calling for Argentine-UK talks about the Falkland Islands, called Malvinas in Argentina.
The pontiff is from Argentina. He received the sign from Gustavo Hoyo, leader of a campaign for dialogue on the islands, during a papal audience.
A senior Vatican official told the BBC that Pope Francis "did not know and did not realise what was written on it".
In 1982 UK forces defeated Argentine troops, who had invaded the Falklands.
The war left Argentina and the UK still disputing the islands' sovereignty - but a UN resolution has called for dialogue to reach a settlement.
The sign held by the Pope on Wednesday said: "It's time for dialogue between Argentina and the United Kingdom over the Falkland Islands.''
Pilgrims from Argentina posed with the Pope at the weekly audience 'No endorsement'

Vatican official Ciro Benedittini said that "during the general audience many people hand the Pope different items". He said the Pope was unaware of the message on the sign, "so there is no endorsement of what was written".
However, Mr Hoyo told Argentina's Clarin newspaper that "when he (the Pope) passed by, I explained what this was about and he kindly took the placard and got the picture taken.
"He could have chosen not to do it, but he did."
Analysis: James Reynolds, BBC News, Rome

The best time to try to hand something to the Pope is on Wednesday morning, during his General Audience.
In the four minutes it took Pope Francis to walk through the crowd at his most recent audience, he was offered the following: seven babies (all safely returned), five flags, three shirts, one painting, one boy scout neckerchief, one magazine, and one stuffed toy (a rabbit).
The Argentine campaigners didn't have to fight their way through this crowd. They met the Pope during a quieter moment in the Audience.
The Vatican now finds itself in an awkward position. It allowed the campaigners to meet the Pope - with a possible idea of what they might want. But it also insists that the Pope didn't know what was written on the placard, and is not endorsing the campaigners' cause.



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34002151


Seems to me that he was partisan on a subject settled both by popular vote and a minor war. The Falklands is and will remain a British colony...
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Britain and Argentina have been glaring at each other across the fence since 1982, it wouldn't be a bad idea for them to talk.

Maybe with the UN and the Pope onside there'll be some dialogue, if only to say that the Falkland Islanders want nothing to do with Argentina.
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Popes often get stuff shoved at them. Perhaps if he had time to think first in situations like that he might have politely declined the invite/push to hold it?

I seem to recall that Saint Sir Thomas More had a 'bribe' shoved at him that as soon as he realised what it was he disposed of - but that nevertheless it was still used against him.
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I think this Pope wants peace, and I can see no harm in endorsing peace talks between any nations.
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Britain and Argentina have been glaring at each other across the fence since 1982, it wouldn't be a bad idea for them to talk.

Maybe with the UN and the Pope onside there'll be some dialogue, if only to say that the Falkland Islanders want nothing to do with Argentina.
The Falkland Islanders have been saying that for some time. No point whatsoever in any talks. The Argentinians have less right to the Falklands than the Norwegians have to Orkney.

There will be peace with the Argies as long as they believe they would lose any confrontation. Talks are irrelevant.

The Pope is just another Arentinian nationalist.
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What's the Kirchner's opinion of talks?
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Britain and Argentina have been glaring at each other across the fence since 1982, it wouldn't be a bad idea for them to talk.

Maybe with the UN and the Pope onside there'll be some dialogue, if only to say that the Falkland Islanders want nothing to do with Argentina.
The people of the Falkland Islands voted by 99% in a free and fair referendum to retain their present status as a British Overseas Territory ... there is nothing to discuss.

Argentina, the Pope, and the UN can go ... well you know what. The UN Decolonization Committee is a complete joke. nothing but a bunch of 3rd world dictators and tyrants whining about the US and western Europe while completely overlooking the real imperial powers of our age: Russia and China.
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