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Andrey,

Have you heard of those quite recent russian war movies?
What's your opinion on these if you did see them?

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Andrey,

Have you heard of those quite recent russian war movies?
What's your opinion on these if you did see them?

SHTRAFBAT
http://www.alldvd.ca/productDisplay....=2&itemId=1096

KRASNAIA KAPELLA
http://www.alldvd.ca/productDisplay....=2&itemId=2049

regards
Yes, it is modern Russian mini-TV series movies.

Situation in Russia is following. Population began to see patriotic movies again, state is ready to give money for making new military movies, there will be 60-th anniversary of Victory in May of 2005. So large amount of Russian movie directors began to make military movies now.

But... Some directors do it because state gives money, their target to get money and to make "something" as result of spending of money, some ones can not to make good movies or have bad scenario writers.

In result many modern Russian military movies about WWII have bad quaity. Some movies are extremrly bad. They are good technically but it looks like their scenario were written by idiots.

If to speak about good ones I can to mention "Zvezda" ("Star") which was made in 2002, this movie is in my first list.

About your two movies.

KRASNAYA KAPELLA - it is about Soviet spy net in Germany, Russian TV showed it pair weeks ago but I didn't see it.

"Shtrafbat" means "penalty battalion".

Russian TV will begin to show it TODAY.
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If to speak about good ones I can to mention "Zvezda" ("Star") which was made in 2002, this movie is in my first list.
Really?
I was disappointed by it - I found movie being to jerky and dialogs somewhat wooden.
I guess I’ll have to wait until the “Convoy PQ-17” comes out.
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Really?
I was disappointed by it - I found movie being to jerky and dialogs somewhat wooden.
I guess I’ll have to wait until the “Convoy PQ-17” comes out.
I like "Zvezda".

Also there is good modern "In August of 1944" movie about actions of military counterintelligence in rears of Soviet troops against German spy groups in 1944.

I have "PQ-17" at home!!!

There are too many historical mistakes, it is made on base of book of Pikul "Requiem to convoy "PQ-17". Movie has some Cold War stamps.

But music is great and sometimes tears become in eyes...
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I want to say for Westerners that there are hundreds of Soviet and Russian military movies.

I tried to write only about best of best.

It is your choice what to buy.
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I like "Zvezda".

Also there is good modern "In August of 1944" movie about actions of military counterintelligence in rears of Soviet troops against German spy groups in 1944.

I have "PQ-17" at home!!!

There are too many historical mistakes, it is made on base of book of Pikul "Requiem to convoy "PQ-17". Movie has some Cold War stamps.

But music is great and sometimes tears become in eyes...
Yea... but the book was fun to read. And at least, according to preview I saw, computer graphics was finally good enough. As for “August” I did not think that the movie did justice to the book ,I know it is the way with most book-based films, but in this case I got an impression that without a benefit of reading the book previously, it is requires an effort to follow the story line.

P.S What I would really like to see is a quality remake of “Na voyne kak na Voyne” based on book by Kurochkin. Or we can petition Hollywood to make a movie about Soviet women - fighter pilots -Litviak was quite handsome –the movie would sell (now I am being cynical)
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Andrey,

Have you heard of those quite recent russian war movies?
What's your opinion on these if you did see them?

SHTRAFBAT
http://www.alldvd.ca/productDisplay....=2&itemId=1096

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I saw 3 first parts (from 11) of "Shtrafbat".

I do not like it, too many mistakes...

I do not recommend to buy it.
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Yea... but the book was fun to read. And at least, according to preview I saw, computer graphics was finally good enough.
There are only few episodes with computer graphics in "PQ17".

And during watching of "PQ17" I constantly though that I could make it better...

Also it is made in old Soviet style - Western Allies are shown badly, Soviet civil sailors of transport ship of "PQ17" made all feats which in reality were made by Western Allied sailors, Germans are real "baby-eaters" here, crew of one U-boat three times shot surviving crews of sunk ships for time of movie ...

Also there are many strange mistakes which are seen for anyone who knows military history in enough scale.

For example, in first dates of June of 1942 US sailor speak about combats in Stalingrad direction but in that time Stalingrad was deep rear of USSR and nobody knew that this place will be so famous after August of 1942...

Other example, in the end voice of announcer spoke that movie is devoted to Soviet, US, British and Polish sailors of transport ships which took pat in northern convoys. But announcer forgot to say about Canadian, New-Zealand, Australian, Belgian, Norwegian and other nations sailors... It is strange...

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Today Russian TV begins to show TV version of "72 meters" - 2004-year movie about modern Russian submariners.

It is real masterpiece.

And music for this movie was made by famous Ennio Mirricone.

I recommend to buy it if you will see it.
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Today Russian TV begins to show TV version of "72 meters" - 2004-year movie about modern Russian submariners.

It is real masterpiece.

And music for this movie was made by famous Ennio Mirricone.

I recommend to buy it if you will see it.
I actually caught this movie during its debut in Los Angles –as part of the days of Russian Culture (or whatever the actual name was). While the movie itself is good, the problem is it looses a whole lot in translation- firstly subtitles often actually are cutting corners only conveying the meaning of what this or that character says rather than go for the closest possible translation, and, secondly then they attempt to go to the closest translation they often do very poor job. Maybe they fixed some of these on DVD. In addition there is a lot of staff which could only be understood sufficiently if you had lived in Russia for the last 15 years –this no translation could cure. But all in all it is decent movie.
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I actually caught this movie during its debut in Los Angles –as part of the days of Russian Culture (or whatever the actual name was). While the movie itself is good, the problem is it looses a whole lot in translation- firstly subtitles often actually are cutting corners only conveying the meaning of what this or that character says rather than go for the closest possible translation, and, secondly then they attempt to go to the closest translation they often do very poor job. Maybe they fixed some of these on DVD. In addition there is a lot of staff which could only be understood sufficiently if you had lived in Russia for the last 15 years –this no translation could cure. But all in all it is decent movie.
I do not understand your personal policy.

You have to understand that all problems with translations could be because of it was made too quickly in that case for making to the beginning of presentation. Final version can have excellent translation.

Do you want Americans didn't see this movie? This movie is excellent, it even can not be compared to second chop movies like "Shtrafbat" or "PQ17". I suppose that "72 meters" can be awarded by "Oscar" but... There is also "Nochnoy dozor" ("Night watch"), everyone in Russia agrees that this movie is best of all...

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"72 meters" shows truth, I served in Russian army in 1996-97 and I confirm that "72 meters" shows truely life and service of Russian officers.

When I saw this movie I never thought that it is false, I recalled time of my military service and spoke to my brother that it is like in real life, all jokes and funny customs, all images of movie and concrete details are true.

I want to add that there are 2 versions of "72 meters" - movie for cinema and TV-version (small mini TV-series) which is larger.

And it looks like TV version is better...

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I do not understand your personal policy.

You have to understand that all problems with translations could be because of it was made too quickly in that case for making to the beginning of presentation. Final version can have excellent translation.

Do you want Americans didn't see this movie? This movie is excellent, it even can not be compared to second chop movies like "Shtrafbat" or "PQ17". I suppose that "72 meters" can be awarded by "Oscar" but... There is also "Nochnoy dozor" ("Night watch"), everyone in Russia agrees that this movie is best of all...
Andrey, I might be wrong but I sense unwarranted hostility in your post. I really have no idea what personal policy of mine you are alluding to. I said it was a good movie ( I am not sure if it’s Oscar- worthy but then again IMO neither was “Crouching tiger”) and my only problem was not with movie itself but with subtitles ( when shown in US theaters, foreign films usually not dubbed) which ,for all intents and purposes, were botched. I spent good part of a movie explaining two local boys why I found these or that moment funny, ironic or whatever have you. (This is a common problem the last time I ran into it was when I watched “No man’s land”. Anyway since you speak English try to imagine Russian person watching “Pulp Fiction” in English with Russian subtitles. How much do you the movie will lose? ) I also expressed hope that DVD would correct the shortcomings to certain degree. I am puzzled from what exactly you derived a notion that I somehow want to prevent anybody from watching this movie. As for the Shtrafbat – I clearly expressed what I think of it on this very thread and as for PQ-17 I never saw it so I would not know one way or the other.
P.S I have trouble taking notion of “everybody in Russia agrees” variety. We are talking about 180 million people –generalization do not work on this scale.
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Andrey, I might be wrong but I sense unwarranted hostility in your post. I really have no idea what personal policy of mine you are alluding to. I said it was a good movie ( I am not sure if it’s Oscar- worthy but then again IMO neither was “Crouching tiger”) and my only problem was not with movie itself but with subtitles ( when shown in US theaters, foreign films usually not dubbed) which ,for all intents and purposes, were botched. I spent good part of a movie explaining two local boys why I found these or that moment funny, ironic or whatever have you. (This is a common problem the last time I ran into it was when I watched “No man’s land”. Anyway since you speak English try to imagine Russian person watching “Pulp Fiction” in English with Russian subtitles. How much do you the movie will lose? ) I also expressed hope that DVD would correct the shortcomings to certain degree. I am puzzled from what exactly you derived a notion that I somehow want to prevent anybody from watching this movie. As for the Shtrafbat – I clearly expressed what I think of it on this very thread and as for PQ-17 I never saw it so I would not know one way or the other.
You speak for Western public that subtitles are bad, you are scaring them.

You have to understand consequances of your words.

And I do not understand why don't Western movie producers replave foreign voice by English voice.

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When did you leave Russia? Russia of 1997 is different country thn Russia of 2004.

"Night watch" is national hit in Russia, cinemas got millions of dollars for it. It is common opinion in Russia that it is best movie of last time with technical quality not less than "Master of Ring".

My brother's friend came to us together with his wife for watching this movie in my PC. His wife (25 years) was in small town for some last months and she said that ALL girls of that town dreamed of to look this movie because that town has no modern cinema and this movie was not played in that town.

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