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All of these aforementioned Loyalist Units were in the thick of the fighting from the beginning to the end of the Revolutionary War. In fact, Captain Caldwell's Company of Butler's Rangers along with Indian Allies and based out of Fort Detroit fought in the last Battle of the Revolutionary War at Wheeling, West Virginia on 11 September, 1782.
Did anything significant ever happen at this location South of Wilkes Barre, Pa?
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All of these aforementioned Loyalist Units were in the thick of the fighting from the beginning to the end of the Revolutionary War. In fact, Captain Caldwell's Company of Butler's Rangers along with Indian Allies and based out of Fort Detroit fought in the last Battle of the Revolutionary War at Wheeling, West Virginia on 11 September, 1782.
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My Mom was born in Bridgeport, Ohio, right across the river from Wheeling. Both of her parents worked at Wheeling Steel.
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Did anything significant ever happen at this location South of Wilkes Barre, Pa?
The Battle of Wyoming: Taken from wiki.

[edit] Encounter
On July 1, 1778, the British arrived to find that their approach had already been discovered and that the Americans were assembled in between eight and ten forts. The British marched within view of Wintermute's (Wintermoot) fort. Terms were arranged that the defenders, after surrendering the fort with all their arms and stores, would be released on the condition that they would not again bear arms during the war. On July 3, the British saw that the defenders were gathering in great numbers outside of Forty Fort. William Caldwell was destroying Jenkin's fort, and when the Americans were still a mile away Butler directed that Fort Wintermute (Wintermoot) to be set on fire. The Americans, thinking this was a retreat, advanced rapidly. Butler instructed the Seneca to lie flat on the ground to avoid observation. The Americans advanced to within one hundred yards of the rangers and fired three times. The Seneca came out of their positions, fired a volley, and attacked the Americans in close combat.

Accounts indicate that the moment of contact was followed by a sharp battle lasting about forty-five minutes. An order to reposition the Patriot line turned into a frantic rout when the inexperienced Patriot militia panicked. This ended the battle and triggered the Iroquois hunt for survivors. Only sixty of the Americans managed to escape, and only five were taken prisoner. Some of the victorious Loyalists and Iroquois killed and tortured an unknown number of prisoners and fleeing soldiers. Butler reported that 227 American scalps had been taken.[5]

Colonel Dennison surrendered Forty Fort and two other forts along with the remaining soldiers the next morning. The Americans were paroled with the condition that they not engage in hostilities for the remainder of the war. These soldiers were not harmed. Colonel Dennison and the militia did not honor the terms of their parole, and they were under arms within the year and later attacked Iroquois villages.

After the battle, about 1,000 homes and all of the forts in the area were burned.

There was no substantial killing of non-combatants and almost no inhabitants were injured or molested after the surrender.[6] John Butler wrote : "But what gives me the sincerest satisfaction is that I can, with great truth, assure you that in the destruction of the settlement not a single person was hurt except such as were in arms, to these, in truth, the Indians gave no quarter."[7] An American farmer wrote: "Happily these fierce people, satisfied with the death of those who had opposed them in arms, treated the defenseless ones, the woman and children, with a degree of humanity almost hitherto unparalleled",[8]

According to one source, 60 bodies were found on the battlefield and another 36 were found on the line of retreat and all were buried in a common grave. See [5]. According to another source 73 bodies were also buried in one hole. See [6].


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This battle caused a panic on the frontier, and settlers in the surrounded counties fled.

The Iroquois were enraged at the accusations of atrocities which they said they had not committed, as well as at the militia taking arms after being paroled. This would have tragic consequences at the Cherry Valley Massacre later that year.[9] Reports of the massacres of prisoners and imaginary atrocities at Wyoming and atrocities at Cherry Valley enraged the American public.

The Wyoming militia led by Denisson, and others, violated their parole and later that year under Colonel Hartley ascended the Susquehanna as far as Tioga destroying the Loyalist farms and destroying the Indian village of Tioga.

In 1779, the Sullivan Expedition commissioned by General George Washington methodically destroyed at least forty Iroquois villages throughout upstate New York."
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Butler's Rangers were Rangers in every sense of the word. They were a hard-fighting, half-crazed, band of well-trained killers, innured by frontier hardship and goaded on by the atrocities that they'd suffered at the hands of their fellow Americans. They moved swiftly and silently through the wilderness, with their raids often lasting a duration of several months. They lived and fought like their Indian Allies, while utilizing the best aspects, tactics and styles of both wilderness and European land warfare.
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My Mom was born in Bridgeport, Ohio, right across the river from Wheeling. Both of her parents worked at Wheeling Steel.
Bridgeport was about four blocks and a river away from the old home.

IF you and 17thAB havn't then you need to take a look at "That Dark and Bloody River" by Eckert (SP)
Deals a lot with the settlement of east Ohio and Northern WV.

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Butler's Rangers were Rangers in every sense of the word. They were a hard-fighting, half-crazed, band of well-trained killers, innured by frontier hardship and goaded on by the atrocities that they'd suffered at the hands of their fellow Americans. They moved swiftly and silently through the wilderness, with their raids often lasting a duration of several months. They lived and fought like their Indian Allies, while utilizing the best aspects, tactics and styles of both wilderness and European land warfare.
All of the British Loyalist Regiments except one, kept meticulous records as to the names and how many men were carried upon their rolls, not only for the sake of military efficiency, but also for future land grants that would one day be handed out to veterans for farming and settlement purposes after the conclusion of hostilities.

Brant's Volunteers was a group of disenfranchised Loyalist farmers who settled along the Niagara River near the key British post at Fort Niagara. They didn't appear on any formal military rolls, yet they fought alongside of Joseph Brant's Indians every bit as firecely and effectively as any Iroquois Warrior. Like the Indians, Brant's Volunteers only went out on raids when the seasons of nature and the condition of their farms and crop fields allowed them to be away, or whenever it suited them.

From accounts that I've read, these white farmers went out of their way to appear and act far more savage than their Indian counterparts ever did. They gaudily painted their faces and bodies with paint and cut their hair in a Mohawk fashion to frighten and cower the American farmers and settlers of the regions and valleys that were raided. They were a very effective group of irregular fighters.
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Bridgeport was about four blocks and a river away from the old home.

IF you and 17thAB havn't then you need to take a look at "That Dark and Bloody River" by Eckert (SP)
Deals a lot with the settlement of east Ohio and Northern WV.

http://www.allaneck.com/bio.html

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Thanks for the lead.

IF you and 17thAB havn't then you need to take a look at "That Dark and Bloody River" by Eckert (SP)
Deals a lot with the settlement of east Ohio and Northern WV.

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All very nice, especially about a relatively "minor" topic. It wasn't minor at all of course. Another good thing to come out of Gen. Sullivan's expedition was that one of his enterprising men, one Lt. Bagnal, brought a handful of seeds from corn grown by the indians back to Masssachusetts and introduced the rest of us to ....sweet corn!
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Wyoming Valley Massacre

I have been to Wyoming Valley Moment on Rt11 Fourty Fort PA it is not like the other battle fields. Modern development built houses right on the battle field. One can leave your house walk across the street to get to the moment. Like building houses right in Valley Forge, I notice that happen to many other battle fields across PA and NY states. Maybe no one like to remember defeats
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Thanks for the lead. I'll check it out!
Be sure to review the one titled 'Wilderness War'. It focuses most of its attention on Brant and the Revolutionary War in upstate NY and includes a very well written narrative on the Wyoming Valley Battles and the Cherry Valley massacre.
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I'm reading, That Dark and Bloody River now. Eckert is masterful
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