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Can PTSD go away on its own?

I've googled a lot about PTSD but it doesn't say much about not sleeping at night as a symptom. Well, a relative of ours seem to be exhibiting symptoms of PTSD such as shouting and not sleeping at night, Can PTSD be treated with support from family alone or should he see a specialist?

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I am no doctor but I would think some psychological counseling would be called for. It may not be necessary in absolutely every case but in the majority of cases it is.
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I knew a guy, he died a few years back, who did three tours in Viet Nam. He had PTSD and had trouble sleeping at night. He found it easier to sleep during the day. He said when he woke up from one of his nightmares, it being light outside made it easier for him to realize it had been a dream, and not reality.

But he was under counseling and medication...chill pills he called them. I don't think it would ever go away on it's own, I'm not sure it ever goes away period.
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I knew a guy, he died a few years back, who did three tours in Viet Nam. He had PTSD and had trouble sleeping at night. He found it easier to sleep during the day. He said when he woke up from one of his nightmares, it being light outside made it easier for him to realize it had been a dream, and not reality.

But he was under counseling and medication...chill pills he called them. I don't think it would ever go away on it's own, I'm not sure it ever goes away period.
There must have been a huge number of Britons, Frenchmen and Germans suffering from PTSD after WW1 who were not treated as the condition was not recognised or understood. What happened to them?
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There must have been a huge number of Britons, Frenchmen and Germans suffering from PTSD after WW1 who were not treated as the condition was not recognised or understood. What happened to them?
They frequently used alcohol and comradeship.
In Canada, the Royal Canadian Legion was set up in 1925. Every single one of them has a bar.
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Alcohol is a good medicator and prescribed to men that needed a calming effect.

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In 1951 two psychiatrists who had been working at the Los Angeles VA Hospital and treating two hundred veterans at the Los Angeles VA Hospital who exhibited persistent symptoms of intense anxiety, battle dreams, depression, guilt, and aggressive reactions… Their general impression of their patients was of a “well-adjusted individual who broke down in the face of an overwhelming trauma. … although some veterans responded to treatment, they added, for others ‘it is as if they live in the ever present repetition of the traumatic experience that so overwhelmed them.”

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“Just two months before this report was published, President Lyndon Johnson ordered the US Marines to South Vietnam. The cycle of war experience and the repression of it, was about to begin anew.”
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Every one may have a bar now but in 1925 half the provinces in Canada still had prohibition!
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There must have been a huge number of Britons, Frenchmen and Germans suffering from PTSD after WW1 who were not treated as the condition was not recognised or understood. What happened to them?
The guy I mentioned lived over 35 years after his Viet Nam days, and never recovered from the PTSD, even with counseling and meds. An uncle served in the army in the Pacific theater as a combat engineer. It never fazed him. He didn't seem to be the least bothered by it...near as I could tell. I can only imagine what the guys from WWI went through, with the shelling in addition to the normal psychological wear and tear of combat.

Each person is so different from a psychological standpoint. 10 people can go through the exact same thing. 9 of them can be totally fine, and the 10th person just fall apart. I know of several younger guys, through my job, that served in Iraq/Afghanistan that are on PTSD disability. I have a friend who is being treated for PTSD and he never saw actual combat...unless you count being in an MLRS unit combat.
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In his classic 18th Century comic novel Tristam Shandy, Lawrence Sterne has a fictional character, Tristam's Uncle Toby - a veteran of Queen Anne's war who one can see today was based on real veterans suffering from a mild version of PTSD. He is treated as an amiable eccentric. I wonder if the rough conditions of normal life "nasty brutish and short" in the past acted as some sort of immunisation.
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This person needs urgent professional help.
He doesn't want to do it in person so we are looking for an alternative such as the services here https://www.betterhelp.com/advice/de...for-no-reason/ . I hope it'll work. At this point all we want to know is if he has the mental condition or not and if it can be treated.
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I knew a guy, he died a few years back, who did three tours in Viet Nam. He had PTSD and had trouble sleeping at night. He found it easier to sleep during the day. He said when he woke up from one of his nightmares, it being light outside made it easier for him to realize it had been a dream, and not reality.

But he was under counseling and medication...chill pills he called them. I don't think it would ever go away on it's own, I'm not sure it ever goes away period.
I read in many blogs that people with PTSD not only tend to hurt themselves but others as well and most of the time it is done unintentionally. A Support system may help but professional treatment is what really cures it.
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