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American Revolution 1763-1789 The birth of a new nation - to commence at the Proclaimation of 1763 to the end of the Articles of Confederation.

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Back on topic. IF the BRITISH had won, what about the French?
Would the French have sold that huge expanse of land to the crown? HELL no, that is HELL no. What then?
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Back on topic. IF the BRITISH had won, what about the French?
Would the French have sold that huge expanse of land to the crown? HELL no, that is HELL no. What then?
The French had lost the 7 years war and were financially in the khazi, something the AWOI finished off. They supposedly owned a load of wilderness that they couldn't hope to hold. Cant see colonists etc not moving in there...Mexico had control of huge swathes of territory in the south of the current USA. That meant nothing in the end...
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The key to "winning" was it not to get to open warfare in the first place. I think that this has implications for what places like India which is where a lot of investment went after the American colonies became independent..
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The French had lost the 7 years war and were financially in the khazi, something the AWOI finished off. They supposedly owned a load of wilderness that they couldn't hope to hold. Cant see colonists etc not moving in there...Mexico had control of huge swathes of territory in the south of the current USA. That meant nothing in the end...
That still adds nothing to the British Empire? You think that means nothing??? Cope you disappoint me. That "little peice of land" influnced what became of Texas and all of our Plains States. Without it the US, coast ot coast would not have been. Gold from Cali, Silver from NV and CO, oil from TX etc all going to Spain. Come on mate open your eyes.
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That still adds nothing to the British Empire? You think that means nothing??? Cope you disappoint me. That "little peice of land" influnced what became of Texas and all of our Plains States. Without it the US, coast ot coast would not have been. Gold from Cali, Silver from NV and CO, oil from TX etc all going to Spain. Come on mate open your eyes.
Your reading comprehension disappoints me. Mexican control of those territories meant nothing to the colonists and migrants as I doubt would French ownership of a load of wilderness lived in by native people and pretty much no-one else. Got it now?
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Your reading comprehension disappoints me. Mexican control of those territories meant nothing to the colonists and migrants as I doubt would French ownership of a load of wilderness lived in by native people and pretty much no-one else. Got it now?
Dodge the question. Who controls that area? Not the French but sure as H not the Empire. IF any one it is Spain/Mexico/French Mexico. So the Empire gives up all that is West of the Mississippi to Spain, one of their long time allies. lol. The Empire buggered it all when they could not except the Colonies as part of the UK, Englishmen and not some thing like other colonies. For such shortsightedness the crown lost the true jewel to the Empire. Thank God.
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Dodge the question. Who controls that area? Not the French but sure as H not the Empire. IF any one it is Spain/Mexico/French Mexico. So the Empire gives up all that is West of the Mississippi to Spain, one of their long time allies. lol. The Empire buggered it all when they could not except the Colonies as part of the UK, Englishmen and not some thing like other colonies. For such shortsightedness the crown lost the true jewel to the Empire. Thank God.
I wasn't dodging anything, just making a point about what happened and that people moved into territories even when known to be controlled by other powers. You seem to want to play some kind of game of your won creation or are looking for an argument. Not interested to be honest
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It wasn't Mexican control. Mexico's revolution wasn't until 1821. It was owned by Spain at the time.
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You kept referring to Mexico as a nation. I merely noted it was a province under a viceroy from Spain :3.
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You kept referring to Mexico as a nayion. I merely noted it was a province undef a viceroy from Spain :3.
And later French under Nepoloen III.
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I'm guessing there would have been a long simmering, extremely costly and very ugly guerilla war going on throughout North America for many years as old scores continued to be settled by both sides, Loyalist and Continental causes throughout all of the 13 Colonies. After a hundred years of comparative freedom from the strictures and taxes of England before the French and Indian War, once the colonists had that first taste of their own destiny, there was no turning back.
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I'm not very well informed about the American Revolution so can ask this question of you experts:
How determined were the British to hold onto N America?
I ask because I've just watched a programme stating that troops were withdrawn from theatre and sent to Antigua to forestall a French invasion.
What were British political priorities at that time?

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I'm not very well informed about the American Revolution so can ask this question of you experts:
How determined were the British to hold onto N America?
I ask because I've just watched a programme stating that troops were withdrawn from theatre and sent to Antigua to forestall a French invasion.
What were British political priorities at that time?

Cheers,Tony.
The British were primarily concerned with keeping their empire together and close to the fold, especially the major money-making colonies like the sugar and rum producing entities of the Carribean. Immediately following the end of the Revolutionary War, one of England's biggest trading partners quickly became the fledgling US.
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