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The Bren carrier - REBORN!

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Well, almost. Same application, but new implementation
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Probably more accurate to say the Universal Carrier concept.

Worth making the point that the operative word was carrier. Whilst the weapon(s) could be fired from the vehicle the mortar, Bren, Vickers etc and the crew were normally carried into battle and then dismounted
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these are not really a universal carrier. I would grade modern 6 or 8 wheel ATVs and 4 wheeled buggies used by the military as being closer in role.










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Those bots are more a light mobile FSV. I would personally mount a 20mm auto cannon or 40mm grenade launcher for some better Fire Support
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When I was "in" the Brit Army (54/57) we traded our Brens in for Windsor carriers....bigger and faster...we mounted our morters on the aft plate...
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Are the "Lloyd" carrier and "Bren" ditto the same vehicle (with or with-out a bren)?

Or does a "Bren" have certain features that a "Lloyd" doesn't?

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Estonia came up with that, eh?

Here is what has me worried;
Remote operation.
Either the signal can be jammed, or the operator is close enough to be killed and you get the same result.

Other than that, I like it. Heck of a way to get a HMG up there with the Grunts!
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Estonia came up with that, eh?

Here is what has me worried;
Remote operation.
Either the signal can be jammed, or the operator is close enough to be killed and you get the same result.

Other than that, I like it. Heck of a way to get a HMG up there with the Grunts!
Yep, that's the hard truth with most of the unmanned stuff. Apparently it can do pre-recorded routes and IIRC they're also working on a "follow the leader" feature, meaning that it will follow a designated person or vehicle around.
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Are the "Lloyd" carrier and "Bren" ditto the same vehicle (with or with-out a bren)?

Or does a "Bren" have certain features that a "Lloyd" doesn't?

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The Lloyd was essentially the first of a line of carriers including the Universal and the Bren. As the carrier family was developed there were things like improvements to the suspension and track units but most changes were to internal fittings to allow them to carry different things. Some were also modified in the field so a number became lightweight SPGs carrying captured Italian AT guns etc. The Canadians fitted batteries of Piats. Some were retrofitted to carry stretchers for casualty evacuation. There are various photos of them in the desert fitted with a Boys AT rifle.

There was also an Indian version built in India and a colleague who had served in the post Raj Indian army told me some were used against both China and Pakistan in various border wars/incidents. He told me that they had an advantage over the jeep as the locals didn't steal the wheels for use on bullock carts.

Making tracks. British carrier story, 1914 to 1972 by Peter Chamberlain is a useful little history of their development and use.
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... but most changes were to internal fittings to allow them to carry different things.
Which leads me to a question to which I've never been able to find an answer and that maybe you can. What is 'Welsh Guards Stowage' in relation to the Universal Carrier?

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Which leads me to a question to which I've never been able to find an answer and that maybe you can. What is 'Welsh Guards Stowage' in relation to the Universal Carrier?

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The most common carriers were the Universal, Medium Machine Gun, Welsh Guards Stowage (C31UCW) and 3" Mortar (C21UCM). The Universal Mk1 and Mk2 was known as the CO1UC. The No 3 Mk2 Universal was coded the UC-4 and the 3" Mortar the UC-2.

The part numbers for the brackets for the Bren gun mounted and stowed in Ford built carriers issued to the Canadian Army all begin C31UCW eg C31UCW 104374, Socket, BREN gun support. Which makes it a logical guess that the Welsh Guards Stowage was the official designation for the Bren carrier but I'll check

I believe that at one time the Welsh Guards had some use of the Vickers Berthier which in many ways resembled the Bren and was adopted by the Indian army. Stowage in a carrier would probably have been similar to a Bren.
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The Welsh Guards Stowage carriers were intended for use in the Western Desert. They were built in the main by Ford in Canada and were slightly simplified by Canadian engineers from the original British pattern to ease production and to simplify adaptation for different weapons (eg the 'Ronson' flame thrower) They had seating for six men and a larger locker. No one knows why they were called Welsh Guard Stowage but the theory has been expressed in several works that they were consulted during the design process. The Welsh Guards were early adopters of the Lloyd carrier.
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Yep, that's the hard truth with most of the unmanned stuff. Apparently it can do pre-recorded routes and IIRC they're also working on a "follow the leader" feature, meaning that it will follow a designated person or vehicle around.
Well, the great thing about this kind of vehicle is that it can carry something like a HMG (heavy machine gun) in a ready-to-fire mode while moving among Infantry moving on foot.
The only other options for that kind of weapon (12.7mm and above) is to carry them in pieces divided among the men and have them assemble it in place when needed... or mount the weapon in a big vehicle that is bound to attract all the wrong sort of attention to itself.

So, in that respect, this thing could be a winner.
I think that there are line-of-sight feeds that can't be jammed, might be the best way to go with this device.
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Well, the great thing about this kind of vehicle is that it can carry something like a HMG (heavy machine gun) in a ready-to-fire mode while moving among Infantry moving on foot.
The only other options for that kind of weapon (12.7mm and above) is to carry them in pieces divided among the men and have them assemble it in place when needed... or mount the weapon in a big vehicle that is bound to attract all the wrong sort of attention to itself.

So, in that respect, this thing could be a winner.
I think that there are line-of-sight feeds that can't be jammed, might be the best way to go with this device.
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