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Redcoated from 1790-1820 (give or take a few years....'or so!

I have of late, been posting here and other sites on the matter of that great minefield of British uniforms and the actual tone of the facing colours, the scarlet tones etc, and also uniforms that one could only speculate to which regiment they belonged.

So I have decided to study the only real visual, contemporary evidence we have and that is the illustration and the portrait in both grand and in the miniature.

These Contemporary examples are almost exclusively of officers but there are one or two much rarer, naive illustrations and paintings of other ranks uniforms, especially those who belonged to Militia, Fencible and volunteer regiments. The date range is from (With one or two liberty takes) 1790-ish to 1820-ish.

What I have done is to compile lots of these examples to post here. But whilst doing this 'compiling' I found for example 'and there may be lots more', that though information states (according to de Bosset and repeated by Hamilton-Smith who copied and supposedly up-dated de Bosset's 1803 uniform chart to that of 1812 ( )) that the 78th Highlanders had lace in single spacing, but there are three contemporary paintings by different artists showing the officers of that regiment with lace and buttons in spacing of twos'.

There are also two (or three) miniatures, again, painted by different hands of different offices of the 6th (Warwickshire) Regiment with facings not of what should be Yellow, but of very light buff, almost white colour.

I have also put together a selection of surviving uniforms for your perusal and one or two paintings of regimental gatherings. and three different charts of uniforms, two illustrated types by de Bosset and Hamilton-Smith and one ‘notation only‘, by J. N. & B. Pearse, c.1803-1819

I will start with the uniform charts first then go on to the miniature portraits and so on.

And as usual, please refrain from posting until I have completed all my posting which is huge. I will indicate this by posting the word ‘END’ in large, red capital letters.

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However a word of caution yellow pigments used for miniature painting at the time were plant based and none were all that fast over time and some cheaper ones based on weld or on walnut could fade to buff given long enough and exposure to light. Some painters of the time (and not just miniaturists) were a bit cheapskate with pigments (hence the lines by Blake on the death of Sir Joshua Reynolds When Sir Joshua Reynolds died. All Nature was degraded;. The King dropp'd a tear into the Queen's ear,. And all his pictures faded. So that facings on miniature that today are buff might have been bright yellow when first painted.
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However a word of caution yellow pigments used for miniature painting at the time were plant based and none were all that fast over time and some cheaper ones based on weld or on walnut could fade to buff given long enough and exposure to light. Some painters of the time (and not just miniaturists) were a bit cheapskate with pigments (hence the lines by Blake on the death of Sir Joshua Reynolds When Sir Joshua Reynolds died. All Nature was degraded;. The King dropp'd a tear into the Queen's ear,. And all his pictures faded. So that facings on miniature that today are buff might have been bright yellow when first painted.
I know of the problems with, in particular, yellow pigments. indeed there is a picture of a 93nd profile picture amongst those I posted above that has suffered from the commonest type of pigment degradation from yellow to a deep brown colour. (See below)


I am also aware of the expense and toxicity yellows have posed. But It seems funny how one regiment in particular (6th) show an almost whitish buff in all three examples. There are other miniatures with yellow used and they all seem to have held good most of their pigment.

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If you use the web page facility to zoom in on this one it is possible to detect the remains of the original yellow colour

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Here you go!

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If you use the web page facility to zoom in on this one it is possible to detect the remains of the original yellow colour

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22822/lot/33/
I am not disputing that the 6th had yellow facings, It's the shade of that yellow which may be put into question as it seems that even the picture that you have linked to, puts the 'yellow' shade as much lighter than what is documented in the charts that I posted above. Oh! And if you look at some of the paintings above, a yellow tint has been used as a lighting, highlight on uniforms of white and light buff facings.

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