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He did in 1942, a version of both the T-34 and KV were sent to the Aberdeen proving grounds for evaluation:

http://english.battlefield.ru/evalua...nd-kv-dp1.html
Oh, fair enough, (feel a wee bit foolish now).
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When the T-34 broke down they used it as a target for the KV.

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t-34 superiority is just a myth,huge numbers and soviet propaganda made him invicible, they lost to many of them...that tank had many flaws and sherman was more reliable.
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t-34 superiority is just a myth,huge numbers and soviet propaganda made him invicible, they lost to many of them...that tank had many flaws and sherman was more reliable.
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No need to take cover, John. Hansika is perfectly right. The whole T-34 thing is a complete myth. It didn't advance tank design one iota. The Germans never considered, not for one moment, copying the basic design. All the stories about the Germans being impressed by the T-34 - in any way whatsoever - are complete nonsense and all the design aspects of the Panther were completely original German ideas, not in the slightest bit inspired by, or copied from, the T-34. You've only got to look at the Daimler-Benz prototype for the Panther to see that. And the T-34 was always completely useless on the battlefield, suffering appalling kill-loss ratios right through the entire war until the end. And anyone who suggests that high loss rates could be blamed on anything other than the design of the tank needs to see a psychiatrist because they must be completely delusional! Those stupid Russians would have been much better off if they just kept producing the BT-7 until they could copy the PzKpfw IIIs and IVs the Germans were using. Fancy even imagining they could do anything better than the Germans! I mean, c'mon now, how could anyone - except the Americans, of course - do anything better than the Germans!

I'm sure I don't need this by now:
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It has been asked what have the Americans given to the world except Rock-n-roll,blue jeans, Harley Davidson and the Sherman tank?
I have answered the question once and for all with yet another question
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It has been asked what have the Americans given to the world except Rock-n-roll,blue jeans, Harley Davidson and the Sherman tank?
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No need to take cover, John. Hansika is perfectly right. The whole T-34 thing is a complete myth. It didn't advance tank design one iota. The Germans never considered, not for one moment, copying the basic design. All the stories about the Germans being impressed by the T-34 - in any way whatsoever - are complete nonsense and all the design aspects of the Panther were completely original German ideas, not in the slightest bit inspired by, or copied from, the T-34. You've only got to look at the Daimler-Benz prototype for the Panther to see that. And the T-34 was always completely useless on the battlefield, suffering appalling kill-loss ratios right through the entire war until the end. And anyone who suggests that high loss rates could be blamed on anything other than the design of the tank needs to see a psychiatrist because they must be completely delusional! Those stupid Russians would have been much better off if they just kept producing the BT-7 until they could copy the PzKpfw IIIs and IVs the Germans were using. Fancy even imagining they could do anything better than the Germans! I mean, c'mon now, how could anyone - except the Americans, of course - do anything better than the Germans!

I'm sure I don't need this by now:
They had nice artillery
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After what's been extensively explained to you in the "Superiority of German armor, weapons, and technology" thread, Hansika, it's time for you to pull all those King Tiger posters from your bedroom walls!
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After what's been extensively explained to you in the "Superiority of German armor, weapons, and technology" thread, Hansika, it's time for you to pull all those King Tiger posters from your bedroom walls!
I dont have any posters king tiger had issues panther G was better or tiger 1 in late years...so what is so special about t-34?
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"In assessing the T-34, the German team found that the keys to its effectiveness were its 76.2 mm gun, wide road wheels, and sloping armor. Utilizing this data, DB and MAN delivered proposals to the Wehrmacht in April 1942. While the DB design was largely an improved copy of the T-34, MAN's incorporated the T-34's strengths into a more traditional German design. Using a three-man turret (the T-34's fit two), the MAN design was higher and wider than the T-34, and was powered by a 690 hp gasoline engine. Though Hitler initially preferred the DB design, MAN's was chosen as it used an existing turret design".
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