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Hmm that's debatable..

Atheists and agnostics ARE in charge, one can't seriously think that our 'leaders' are acting on divine inspiration can one?
If a nations leader were truly religious then we in the west would be as those in the middle east.

Our leaders play to the crowds, they will say anything to remain in power, they will tell a religious electorate that they are godly and a secular electorate that they are secular.

We never hear of any European leader banging on about how religious they are and that is simply because Europe is secular, we would be deeply concerned if one of our PM's went all Bush on us, conversely we often hear US leaders spouting off religious guff precisely because their electorate is perceived to be religious.

They are chameleons that suit their coat to their surroundings.

At the end of the day they are power hungry egotists, nothing more and nothing less.

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..the Klan/alt right and UKIP try to represent Christianity, these are the bad guys whom tried to and are trying to hijack Christianity..
Hey wait a minute, I'm a UKIP voter because we want to stop the mass immigration of Jesus-rejecting heathens into Britain, how can that be a bad thing?
We object to our taxes paying to feed, clothe, house and medcare immigrants instead of looking after our own people, plus they're overloading our social infrastructure, and at the end of the day they're not the least bit grateful-

[Quran 9.123, 5.51]- "..fight those of the infidels who are near to you and let them find in you hardness....do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends"


UKIP believe we should look after our own people first, and we know Jesus has got our backs so you'd better argue it out with him when you meet him..-
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"It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs....do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces" (Matt 15:26,Matt 7:6)

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..we often hear US leaders spouting off religious guff precisely because their electorate is perceived to be religious.
They are chameleons that suit their coat to their surroundings.
At the end of the day they are power hungry egotists, nothing more and nothing less.
Yes, but Trump isn't like that, he's already a powerful billionnaire and the US President so he doesn't need to bow and scrape to anybody, he just does things his way, and if people don't like it, too bad..
And as he's a Christian he knows the Bible has got his back in everything he does to make America great again, what a man!

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Trump is not renown for his Christianity.
He’s been reported to have been a Catholic, a member of the Dutch Reformed Church, a Presbyterian and he married his third wife in an Episcopalian church.
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Huh, what exactly makes one a Spaniard?
If your father, grand-father, and grand-grand-father are born in Spain, aren't you a Spaniard?
If so, the "big shot" was a Spaniard, himself..
The big shot muslim and his chums INVADED Spain from North Africa, so he's no more Spanish than Mary Poppins..
Then in a tremendous 700-year-long campaign, El Cid and his amigos gradually recaptured Spain..

WIKI- "..much of Spain was conquered by Moorish invaders from North Africa. In a process that took centuries, the small Christian kingdoms in the north gradually regained control of the peninsula. The last Moorish kingdom fell in the same year Columbus reached the Americas"
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Trump is not renown for his Christianity.
Hes been reported to have been a Catholic, a member of the Dutch Reformed Church, a Presbyterian and he married his third wife in an Episcopalian church.
What a great man Don is, he broadmindedly encompasses all Christian sects..

PS- and let's not forget the great French people who told the muslim invaders of France "On your bicyclettes!"-


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What a great man Don is, he broadmindedly encompasses all Christian sects..

PS- and let's not forget the great French people who told the muslim invaders of France "On your bicyclettes!"-

There was no France and no French army at this time. Charles ruled directly over the territory of the Frankish Carolingian clan which covered Northern France to the Somme but also most of what is now Belgium and Luxembourg and the lower Netherlands. He had become "Mayor of the Palace" which meant war leader of the Franks but substantial parts of modern France, such as Aquitaine were still independent entities. So "French people" is also an anachronism. Charles' victory at Tours paved the way for a united France under his grandson Charlemagne.
Charles' army contained Austrasian's (Eastern Franks). The Belgian historian Julius Emil De Vos, in his 1920 history of Belgium claims Charles as from Flanders and therefore Belgian! Although Charles' earliest campaigns to oust his grandmother and gain control were in Flanders this is plainly a piece of chauvinism but no more misplaced than labeling him French either.

Charles pushed an Moorish army out of what is today France but to claim that he kicked the Muslims out of Europe is a ludicrous hyperbole. Iberia is in Europe and so are Greece and the Balkans
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There was no France and no French army at this time..
Well who kicked muslim butt at the battle of Tours-Poitiers, Judy Garland and the Munchkins?..
PS- and let's not forget that the great Swedish crusaders also did their bit, for example here's Antonius Block playing chess against Death, what a man..




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Poor Old Spike quote- GREAT MOMENTS IN HISTORY!
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The big shot muslim and his chums INVADED Spain from North Africa, so he's no more Spanish than Mary Poppins..
Then in a tremendous 700-year-long campaign, El Cid and his amigos gradually recaptured Spain..

WIKI- "..much of Spain was conquered by Moorish invaders from North Africa. In a process that took centuries, the small Christian kingdoms in the north gradually regained control of the peninsula. The last Moorish kingdom fell in the same year Columbus reached the Americas"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain


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I wouldn't go by all you read in wikipedia, old son.

The irony is that Germanic war-bands had previously invaded North Africa from the Iberian peninsula ( let's repeat- there was no Spain) so that when Arab generals led an army from what is now Morocco across the Strait to topple the Kingdom of the Visigoths- who themselves were invaders from the north- their force may well have included troops of Germanic, Roman and Greek origin- all previous settlers along the North African iitoral, as well as from Berber tribes who in terms of ethnicity were possibly little removed from the original Iberians across the water, certainly in the south. Behind the Arab and Visigoth generals the men of their armies may all have been 2nd cousins.

The image you post of 'El Ultimo Suspiro del Moro', showing the sultan and his entourage as extremely dark of skin is a racially dubious 'Romantic' image of the C19th, perpetuating the myth that the Moors were a homogenous group from sub-Saharan Africa.

By about 1000, almost half of the original Christian population had converted to Islam. Continuing interbreeding between the two groups over the next 500 years meant that ultimately there may have been very little to distinguish between the two physically. Religion was the key identifier. It is said Al Mansur, the last great Caliph of Cordoba who died in 1002, had red hair from his mother and so would dye his hair black to appear more 'Arab.'
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Well who kicked muslim butt at the battle of Tours-Poitiers, Judy Garland and the Munchkins?..
See what I mean? Too many words.
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..let's repeat- there was no Spain..
A rose by any other name.....
After they got rid of the muslim scroungers, the great Spanish people went on to do fantastic things such as spreading Christianity to the New World..

"By lawful decree of their Imperial Highnesses King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, we have come to bust your heathen asses!"




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Well who kicked muslim butt at the battle of Tours-Poitiers, Judy Garland and the Munchkins?..
PS- and let's not forget that the great Swedish crusaders also did their bit, for example here's Antonius Block playing chess against Death, what a man..




SQUIRE- "You did good sir"
BLOCK- "Yeah, nobody better mess with me!"

Where do you get your ideas from? The Swedish crusaders never met a muslim - they went North and East and butchered Slav peasants who weren't Christian (or at least not their definition of Christian) The Swedes who joined the SS thought they were following the same tradition.
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