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Before the end of this century there will be 2 billion people living in Africa, and as Africa can't nourish them , they will come to Europe and the fall of the Roman Empire will be a piece of cake compared to what will happen .
Yes, well — hypothetically you could be right in the end about this, hypothetically...

However, this is exactly what has said about Asia for over a century. Last time this kind of scenario was floated was in the 1960's. Exploding demographics, poverty, famine, and yellowish-brown hordes approaching our borders... not now perhaps... but soon... SOON! (I notice EUrabia is declining in popularity as the go-to Doom-and-Gloom scenario for us; probably because the demographics weren't really there to start with.)

Only it turns out the danger now is rather how the Chinese might inherit the future, dethrone the US, and buy us all — but before that they will get us all hooked on their masses of nifty electronic consumer products...
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Before the end of this century there will be 2 billion people living in Africa, and as Africa can't nourish them
Why do you think they won't be able to feed them? They have vast tracts of fertile land. With better transport infrastructure and governance there is no reason why they can't feed themselves. It would be a help if we traded with them fairly too. In fact that would change everything.
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Why do you think they won't be able to feed them? They have vast tracts of fertile land. With better transport infrastructure and governance there is no reason why they can't feed themselves. It would be a help if we traded with them fairly too. In fact that would change everything.
Why are they coming if everything is going well in Africa ?

How will they get better transport infrastructure and better governance ? By a new colonisation ?

A few years ago there was an article in the NYT with as title/conclusion that the whole south is moving to the north .

The vast tracts of fertile land ? They will not be sufficient to nourrish 2 billion people : 94,5 million in Egypt alone ,Nigeria will have more than 300 million inhabitants in 2050 .

It is not our problem : the Africans have created this problem, they must solve it . The only thing we must take care of is to prevent that they will invade Europe : there is no place for them in Europe .
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It is not our problem : the Africans have created this problem, they must solve it . The only thing we must take care of is to prevent that they will invade Europe : there is no place for them in Europe .
Their problems was their problems. ,until we came there and teach them how we want them to live.
Now it has become our problems.
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We left Africa some 60 years ago, thus, it is not our problem .

An other racist idiot (Antonio Tojani,president of the European Parliament) -it is not impossible that a racist idiot would become president of the European parliament, or the opposite-said in july that there would be an exodus "of biblical proportions that would be impossible to stop if we don't confront the problem now ."

Of course , his solution was : inconditional surrender : let them all come ;while the solution is very simple : not one immigrant will have a Eurocent and that will discourage them from coming .

They come to have money and food? Don't give them money and food and they will not come .

The problem is that the population of Africa is too big .Which is not our responsibility .
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There are already more than 10 million Africans in Europe and much more will arrive,unless something is done, which will not happen .
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Their problems was their problems. ,until we came there and teach them how we want them to live.
Now it has become our problems.
Your right the w----r is wrong

They still carry the most blame. We also taught them and they reverted back to their tribalism.
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Now it has become our problems.
Yeah, run with that, good call!



And forget the fact that under colonialism,, they had better economies, more freedom, peace, and so on... getting rid of you guys is what saved their sanity and pride.
But then again, they still can't replicate what they used to have, and that is all YOUR fault.
Yes, you, personally of course. You weren't there but you are white, therefore you must be blamed for everything wrong with the entire continent of Africa.
And, you must pay.... with cash or credit.
Isn't it curious how everyone that is holding their hands out to take your money live in your OWN country... and generally have white skin too?

Hmmmm ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uE0rOAAtk8&t=46s

I love those guys, some of the things they do take serious nerve.
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We call that "history "" or rather "histoire" here ,and like it or not ,we have to live with the heritage of our ancestors.
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And forget the fact that under colonialism,, they had better economies, more freedom, peace, and so on... getting rid of you guys is what saved their sanity and pride.
But then again, they still can't replicate what they used to have, and that is all YOUR fault.
Yes, you, personally of course. You weren't there but you are white, therefore you must be blamed for everything wrong with the entire continent of Africa.
And, you must pay.... with cash or credit.
Isn't it curious how everyone that is holding their hands out to take your money live in your OWN country... and generally have white skin too?

Hmmmm ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uE0rOAAtk8&t=46s

I love those guys, some of the things they do take serious nerve.
If you are really interested in this topic there's a great book called The Bottom Billion by a guy called Paul Collier, an economics professor in Oxford University and former director of the Development Research Group at the World Bank. It's well worth a read.
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We call that "history "" or rather "histoire" here ,and like it or not ,we have to live with the heritage of our ancestors.
Live with it, but you may want to reconsider wearing it like a Horse-hair shirt all the time.

Your hope is that you will assimilate all these immigrant economic refugees, and you will be able to sway them to your ways with all the easy living and even decadence compared to what they have known before.
The idea appears to be that they will suddenly reverse the ever-growing tide of Islamic Puritanism.

However ... if you are constantly repeating this stuff about your past, singing it out from the highest rooftops.... what you are really doing is reminding them about why they should hate you.

And they will. Look in their eyes, and tell me what you see from the man on the street.
Its a bit on the primordial side, ain't it?
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At the moment there is in Antwerp a big scrap going on between some 100 Turks and Kurds : the benefaction of immigration .
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