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The £20,000-a-year school that enraged parents by introducing gender-neutral toilets has also scrapped its prize-giving – to avoid upsetting pupils who do not win anything.
High achievers at Highgate School will no longer be recognised at a traditional end-of-year ceremony in order ‘to be sensitive to the feelings of the other pupils’.
Instead, the 452-year-old school in North London will hold several smaller events attended exclusively by prize winners and their families.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ar-prizes.html
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Unfortunately teachers as a profession have a tendency to do this sort of thing. It is why schools need independent governors to keep the teachers in check. If they didn't schools would just be about 'colouring in'. Hopefully the school governors will fire the headmaster.

We are sending our daughter to a prep school that has male and female toilets, competitive sports, head boys and girls, and prize giving. It even has a list in the entrance hall of the more successful pupils.

Life is competition, children should be taught to succeed from a young age.
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Unfortunately teachers as a profession have a tendency to do this sort of thing. It is why schools need independent governors to keep the teachers in check. If they didn't schools would just be about 'colouring in'. Hopefully the school governors will fire the headmaster.

We are sending our daughter to a prep school that has male and female toilets, competitive sports, head boys and girls, and prize giving. It even has a list in the entrance hall of the more successful pupils.

Life is competition, children should be taught to succeed from a young age.
Taught to succeed? I'd say the most important thing is that they learn is that failing will not kill them which looking at some of my daughters class mates they seem to not bother with anymore.
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It even has a list in the entrance hall of the more successful pupils.

Life is competition, children should be taught to succeed from a young age.
My school had three plaques in the assembly hall. On the left hand wall Old Boys who had given their life for King and Country, One on the Right hand wall OBs who had gained academic distinction and across the balcony a big one - England RU caps!. When an OB was capped for Scotland this gave rise to some controversy!
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My school had three plaques in the assembly hall. On the left hand wall Old Boys who had given their life for King and Country, One on the Right hand wall OBs who had gained academic distinction and across the balcony a big one - England RU caps!. When an OB was capped for Scotland this gave rise to some controversy!
One of the old boys in the year below me captained Scotland....
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We are sending our daughter to a prep school that has male and female toilets, competitive sports, head boys and girls, and prize giving. It even has a list in the entrance hall of the more successful pupils.

Life is competition, children should be taught to succeed from a young age.
Which assumes you train them, teach them and provide lots of opportunities for relative "winning".

You can also make if a zero-sum-game-winner-takes-all kind of thing, and produce a handful of winners and lots and lots of losers. Oh, and a pedagogical model on the assumption that "innate talent" should be allowed to shine, and so actually instructing anyone in anything is a kind of "cheating", since what's the use of they can't work it all out for themselves? (This IS surprisingly common, still, certainly in the higher rungs of academic systems.)

The point of most school is to provide a learning experience where students are taught how to succeed by trying things, often involving A LOT of failing in the process (at least if doing something actually difficult and worthwhile), without anything bad happening.
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Learning to lose is part of the game.
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Which assumes you train them, teach them and provide lots of opportunities for relative "winning".

You can also make if a zero-sum-game-winner-takes-all kind of thing, and produce a handful of winners and lots and lots of losers. Oh, and a pedagogical model on the assumption that "innate talent" should be allowed to shine, and so actually instructing anyone in anything is a kind of "cheating", since what's the use of they can't work it all out for themselves? (This IS surprisingly common, still, certainly in the higher rungs of academic systems.)

The point of most school is to provide a learning experience where students are taught how to succeed by trying things, often involving A LOT of failing in the process (at least if doing something actually difficult and worthwhile), without anything bad happening.
A good school, particularly one that charges £20k a year, will give pupils lots of opportunities to shine. I would expect them to support a variety of sports, more than a state school, and have many acedemic subjects as well as extra curricular activities. Also there will be opportunities to win as a team - internal in competition between houses and external in competition with other schools.
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Unfortunately teachers as a profession have a tendency to do this sort of thing. It is why schools need independent governors to keep the teachers in check. If they didn't schools would just be about 'colouring in'. Hopefully the school governors will fire the headmaster.

We are sending our daughter to a prep school that has male and female toilets, competitive sports, head boys and girls, and prize giving. It even has a list in the entrance hall of the more successful pupils.

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Actually the schools are much more frightened by Offsted. A poor Offsted report will cost a school jobs, from the head down to the teachers.
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Actually the schools are much more frightened by Offsted. A poor Offsted report will cost a school jobs, from the head down to the teachers.
Bad publicity for a private school will damage their reputation. A damaged reputation means that they will lose out in competition to other expensive schools. Leading to the school losing pupils, money and jobs.
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Bad publicity for a private school will damage their reputation. A damaged reputation means that they will lose out in competition to other expensive schools. Leading to the school losing pupils, money and jobs.
Parents are far more likely to choose a school based upon their Offsted reports. Even for a state school, a lack of pupils will lead to a lack of funding and jobs losses.
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Maybe they made the decision to forgo the end of the year ceremony when a large number of students whose parents gave mega amounts to the school, did not achieve much merit?

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Which assumes you train them, teach them and provide lots of opportunities for relative "winning".

You can also make if a zero-sum-game-winner-takes-all kind of thing, and produce a handful of winners and lots and lots of losers. Oh, and a pedagogical model on the assumption that "innate talent" should be allowed to shine, and so actually instructing anyone in anything is a kind of "cheating", since what's the use of they can't work it all out for themselves? (This IS surprisingly common, still, certainly in the higher rungs of academic systems.)

The point of most school is to provide a learning experience where students are taught how to succeed by trying things, often involving A LOT of failing in the process (at least if doing something actually difficult and worthwhile), without anything bad happening.
Then by your rationale, Henrik Lundqvist should have stayed at Frolunda -- 'cause he was only good enough to be a seventh-round pick.

Yeah, you don't want to inculcate a fear of failure, but at the same time, there's nothing wrong with rewarding winners. In fact, the trend in education these days seems to be to reward the losers. Can't for the life of me figure the advantage in that.
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In fact, the trend in education these days seems to be to reward the losers. Can't for the life of me figure the advantage in that.
I can provide one explanation. At the university I attended in Canada, writing requirements for coursework were substantially reduced over the time that I attended and and the grading regimen for written work became extremely lax. The reason: the university became more and more dependent upon foreign students (whose tuition costs were double that of Canadian citizens) and not wanting to fail them due to their poor English writing skills (and thus drive away a lucrative source of funds), the university effectively reduced the writing requirements for everybody.
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