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What they could use at this moment is a Walesa-type of personality, someone to focus the opposition against Maduro into a united national movement against him.
I think they rarely show up when needed.

They are in deep sh!t, and it is only getting worse.
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from what I'm reading, neither side want's to give in at this time

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http://todayvenezuela.com/2017/07/20...n-his-way-out/
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Socialism man. It kills.

I remember assclown chavez. Good job buddy running your country into the ground.

We better not give these idiots a single penny to reconstruct their lame ass country after they've finished destroying it.
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Socialism man. It kills.

I remember assclown chavez. Good job buddy running your country into the ground.

We better not give these idiots a single penny to reconstruct their lame ass country after they've finished destroying it.
My sentiments E-X-A-C-T-L-Y !!!
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It looks like that Venezuela is looking to be another Flashpoint for Trump.
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It looks like that Venezuela is looking to be another Flashpoint for Trump.
At least they are having elections without missiles.
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At least they are having elections without missiles.
And without voters... Seems the turnout was extremely low. Most independent sources not connected to the Maduro government are saying around 2.5 to 3 million. That's less than half what is typical in elections. AP and other news sources say that many polling places were nearly empty all day, and that Maduro shut down many in areas where the opposition party has a strong presence.

Of course, today, Maduro is claiming an overwhelming victory (who didn't see that coming) and has called on the assembly as its first act to criminalize the opposition...

Seems Venezuela is going to become the next Cuba...

All Trump need do is ban oil imports from Venezuela and POOF! their economy is truly in ruin. The few countries left if that happens willing to buy Venezuelan oil are ones that are broke, like North Korea and Cuba...
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And without voters... Seems the turnout was extremely low. Most independent sources not connected to the Maduro government are saying around 2.5 to 3 million. That's less than half what is typical in elections. AP and other news sources say that many polling places were nearly empty all day, and that Maduro shut down many in areas where the opposition party has a strong presence.

Of course, today, Maduro is claiming an overwhelming victory (who didn't see that coming) and has called on the assembly as its first act to criminalize the opposition...

Seems Venezuela is going to become the next Cuba...

All Trump need do is ban oil imports from Venezuela and POOF! their economy is truly in ruin. The few countries left if that happens willing to buy Venezuelan oil are ones that are broke, like North Korea and Cuba...
Trump has a lot of cards to play (though his intervening on what was ostensibly a non-interventionist campaign would be amusing).

However, there is the double-edged sword that comes from intervention in that it can actually solidify support for the ruling caste. America is already the big boogie man being blamed for all their ills, so having them act in a more direct or unilateral manner could be a rallying call for the supporters. The US is better off in that sense working with other nations to make it a broad move.

However, the economic power such a move represents is not to be underestimated. Venezuela is operating on fumes (to keep the petroleum metaphor running) and doesn't have much to keep it running.

Yet one has to wonder if such a move would just be more likely to create an escalation in violence rather than force the government to the negotiating table.

Also, cue the same people complaining about America getting involved in another nation's "legal" activities...
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Trump has a lot of cards to play (though his intervening on what was ostensibly a non-interventionist campaign would be amusing).

However, there is the double-edged sword that comes from intervention in that it can actually solidify support for the ruling caste. America is already the big boogie man being blamed for all their ills, so having them act in a more direct or unilateral manner could be a rallying call for the supporters. The US is better off in that sense working with other nations to make it a broad move.

However, the economic power such a move represents is not to be underestimated. Venezuela is operating on fumes (to keep the petroleum metaphor running) and doesn't have much to keep it running.

Yet one has to wonder if such a move would just be more likely to create an escalation in violence rather than force the government to the negotiating table.

Also, cue the same people complaining about America getting involved in another nation's "legal" activities...
looking at history, I'd say do nothing...leave them alone...let whatever happens happen
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Court says 2 Venezuela opposition leaders back to prison

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CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Two of Venezuela’s leading opposition figures were seized at their homes by state security agents early Tuesday in the first moves by President Nicolas Maduro’s government against prominent enemies since a widely denounced vote granting the ruling party nearly unlimited powers.

The Venezuelan Supreme Court said Leopoldo Lopez and Antonio Ledezma had violated the terms of their house arrest by criticizing the government in messages released on social media in recent days.

The court, which is controlled by Maduro allies, also said it had received “reports from official intelligence sources” that the two men had been planning to flee.

Relatives and allies of Lopez and former Caracas Mayor Ledezma earlier reported on social media that both had been detained. Lopez’s wife posted what appeared to be video of him being taken from their home after midnight.
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Yea, I'd flee too if I were on the dictator's radar...
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And, the economy has fallen apart. Venezuela's GDP in the past 5 years alone has shrunk more than Cuba's has in over two decades. Shrinkage is estimated at 35%, and that doesn't account for the drop in oil prices. The world didn't fall that far in the Great Depression.
The Bolivar is now estimated at 10,389 to 1.

http://www.businessinsider.com/stati...ollapse-2017-8

And, an idiot on the Left chimes in... Ken Livingstone, ex-mayor of London, blaming the economic failure on Maduro not killing off Venezuela's rich and looting their estates...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...avez-oligarchs

Yep... Great Leftists all think alike! Form a dictatorship and murder your opposition!
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did you see this bomb going off as police motorcycles drove by?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/venezue...ombed-10911638
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Attacks on the military and police are becoming common. Another I saw was four police on motorcycles driving along a road when a car passes and the passengers toss Molotov cocktails on them. Trucks carrying food have to have a military escort to prevent wholesale looting.

The country is turning into total anarchy.
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