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Germany Poll - AfD Closing on SPD

Continued backwash from Germany's reckless migrant policy as the far right AfD are poised to overtake the left wing stalwart SPD party. With the AfD now likely to take the role of 'formal opposition', I expect their support will grow unless Merkel can convince Germans she has a credible immigration and integration plan. Given the numbers of migrants they continue to bring in, this seems unlikely.

Germany, Infratest dimap poll:

CDU/CSU-EPP: 33%
SPD-S&D: 16% (-2)
AfD-EFDD: 15% (+1)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 13% (+2)
LINKE-LEFT: 11%
FDP-ALDE: 9% (-1)
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Seems somewhat of non-issue to be honest..

SPD joined Merkels government despite originals claims they wouldn't, Schulz was forced out, that alone can account for a 2% loss.

And people who vote SPD are not likely to cross to AFD at any rate are they ?

CDU remains rock solid at 33% despite the Great Muslim Invasion that's what I take from this poll
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CDU remains rock solid at 33% despite the Great Muslim Invasion that's what I take from this poll
CDU and CSU. Last election they got the lowest percentage of the electorate since 1949.

SPD at 20.5% got their lowest percentage ever in an election result and are still declining.
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Socialist parties all over Europe are in decline, the poor no longer look just like us, and so they are no longer popular...

Their traditional target audience of unemployed and workers have been outsourced, pretty much the entire Belgian electorate is middle class now, I suspect that to be much the same in Germany.

33% is still pretty impressive in multi party system (we call it "incontournable" - unavoidable for a coalition) though, don't think any Belgian party ever achieved that in a national election.
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Socialist parties all over Europe are in decline, the poor no longer look just like us, and so they are no longer popular...
The British Labour party?

Gone from centre/centre-left to full-on escapist looney left socialist nonsense.

That's possibly what other 'socialist' parties in Europe need to do.
SPD could get votes back from Linke and Grunetards
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Well yes, you only have two feasible parties so some sort of see-saw effect is inevitable, a Brit voter who wants to get rid of the Tory government has no real alternative.

The case in Germany is somewhat different though, offered a choice from an in theory infinite number of parties 1/3 Germans decides to vote CDU.

That means something.

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That's possibly what other 'socialist' parties in Europe need to do.
The Greens have already surpassed the classic Socialists here as the most influential leftist party, they have an easier time because they can fully follow the pro-migration line, while the classic socialist voters have little love for the newly imported poor.
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The Greens have already surpassed the classic Socialists here as the most influential leftist party, they have an easier time because they can fully follow the pro-migration line, while the classic socialist voters have little love for the newly imported poor.
How do the Grune berks reconcile the idea of importing people from low CO2 per capita countries into high per capita CO2 countries with their 'green' credentials
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How do the Grune berks reconcile the idea of importing people from low CO2 per capita countries into high per capita CO2 countries with their 'green' credentials
Don't know about Germany, but here even the Greens don't explicitly promote importing people.

This is their official stance on migration, don't know if you can make anything of it, I can translate bits if need be


Edit, above maybe I should have said "pro-migrant line", instead of "pro-migration line".

They don't necessarily want to import more, but maximize support for those that arrive, whereas others seek to actively discourage migration to Belgium.



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Continued backwash from Germany's reckless migrant policy as the far right AfD are poised to overtake the left wing stalwart SPD party. With the AfD now likely to take the role of 'formal opposition', I expect their support will grow unless Merkel can convince Germans she has a credible immigration and integration plan. Given the numbers of migrants they continue to bring in, this seems unlikely.

Germany, Infratest dimap poll:

CDU/CSU-EPP: 33%
SPD-S&D: 16% (-2)
AfD-EFDD: 15% (+1)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 13% (+2)
LINKE-LEFT: 11%
FDP-ALDE: 9% (-1)
Looking at the numbers it seems the immigration friendly Greens (Grüne) are actually the ones winning. Which doesn't quite match up with the narrative you posted.
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Looking at the numbers it seems the immigration friendly Greens (Grüne) are actually the ones winning. Which doesn't quite match up with the narrative you posted.
Consider the poster. Facts are there to bend.
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Seems somewhat of non-issue to be honest..

SPD joined Merkels government despite originals claims they wouldn't, Schulz was forced out, that alone can account for a 2% loss.

And people who vote SPD are not likely to cross to AFD at any rate are they ?

CDU remains rock solid at 33% despite the Great Muslim Invasion that's what I take from this poll
To be fair, everything is usually a non-issue in your book. I can't recall you being especially moved on any subject.
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Consider the poster. Facts are there to bend.
Well if we going with facts, the Greens are in fourth place, so my narrative stands.

This is more about your personal, disgraceful hate campaign. And you dare present yourself as guardian of the truth. . Not likely.
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To be fair, everything is usually a non-issue in your book. I can't recall you being especially moved on any subject.
Point well taken, I consider emotion and political excitement on a history board somewhat redundant,

politics compares to history as a minute compares to a day.

But I can understand how others might feel differently, so have at it
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Well if we going with facts, the Greens are in fourth place, so my narrative stands.

This is more about your personal, disgraceful hate campaign. And you dare present yourself as guardian of the truth. . Not likely.
AfD score a +1, Greens a +2. If one argue that poll show a sucess for AfD instead of Greens then it is assumed that 1 is greater than 2.
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AfD score a +1, Greens a +2. If one argue that poll show a sucess for AfD instead of Greens then it is assumed that 1 is greater than 2.
Because being placed fourth is not a successful position. Moreover the Green Party is a well established political force, decades old. For the AfD to come from nowhere, overcome intense media bias and threaten to overtake the SPD is quite incredible. It speaks to what a huge mistake was made in the migrant crisis, manufacturing a new powerful political force that was not there before and need not have been created. Dangerous times for Germany.
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