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3) Benefit: there is not really much improvement in an aircraft from losing the pilot. Yes, there is weight and space but given the performance requirement and hence design choices of a modern fighter, this is not that huge. The maneuvering benefit is also somehow marginal; ACM is dictated more by energy management than by pilot G-tolerance. In the case of a new UCAV, of course you would also need to fund a new platform programme to match current 4th / 5th Gen fighters.
In fact, the opposite is true. The performance envelope of a modern fighter is limited not by it's design, but by the G-tolerance of it's pilot. A pilot can only stand 8 - G's for a brief period, while the airframe can usually take more than that, and with a G-load sensor suite, could operate to it's very limits.

Therefore, removing the pilot would dramatically improve aircraft dogfight performance, particularly in the area now known as "thrust vectoring" which involves maneuvers that depart the flight envelope.
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In fact, the opposite is true. The performance envelope of a modern fighter is limited not by it's design, but by the G-tolerance of it's pilot. A pilot can only stand 8 - G's for a brief period, while the airframe can usually take more than that, and with a G-load sensor suite, could operate to it's very limits.
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No, you are wrong yet again. Ability to put weapons on target is not limited to pilot G tolerance; even prior to BVR and off-boresight missiles - which have very little to do with pulling maximum G - short-range manouevering engagements are as much about matching the target out of plane which allows the aggressor to obtain a shooting solution while expending less energy than the defender. Rate of turn counts as much as turn radius; I suggest you obtain some modern literature on the subject.

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Therefore, removing the pilot would dramatically improve aircraft dogfight performance, particularly in the area now known as "thrust vectoring" which involves maneuvers that depart the flight envelope.
Researching 'thrust vectoring' might also help you form a coherent argument; this affect the angle of attack - over short periods - and reduces sustained G on the airframe and pilot by allowing nose positioning rather than manouevring, beneficial primarily to aircraft that lack off-boresight weapons (these days, very few). It is also of debatable utility.

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