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Indeed, Mountbatten virtually shattered Australia's Air Chief Marshal's confidence in the TSR2 when he returned home, and he later admitted the Australian airmen were 'hardly converted'. The price of each unit was extremely high but ultimately the lack of RAF orders made the TSR2 option unsalable, especially when the small order of only 24(at most) were intended for the RAAF.
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From what I have read, Australia would have seriously considered the TSR-2 but the idea of even thinking of buying it was getting shot out of the water by the British themselves. Why should Australia place an order for 24 if the RAF haven't done so already? Also, Prime Minister Menzies did seek a last minute deal but did not get a response till a day after the announcement that we chose the TFX. How Boeing came out in front during four rounds of selection and refinement yet they still lost the contract is just as intriguing.
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It may have been viable but no one else wanted it.
Despite what has been written here @ ACG and elsewhere about the lack of an RAF order, the text from pp92 of the following document suggests otherwise.

TSR2

THE STORY OF BRITAIN'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL WARPLANE

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Complete, free, 120 page pdf text available for download here:

http://www.freebookspot.es/Comments....ment_ID=535774

Aircraft Production

The Pre-Production Batch
Contract KD/2L/02CB42a was placed on 6th
October 1960, covering the production of nine aircraft XR219 to XR227
[.....]

Contract No. KD/2L/13/CB42a placed on 28th
June 1963
covered a batch of 11 aircraft, serials
660 to XS670. The first five of these aircraft were
provisionally allocated to trials and evaluation
work (and would probably have been assigned to
the A&AEE at Boscombe Down), the remainder of
the batch being delivered directly to the RAF at
Coningsby.
At the time of project cancellation,
most of these aircraft had progressed into
component form, with wing and fuselage
sections (some painted) being prepared for
assembly. All were sold as scrap.
[.....]

Contract No. KD/2L/16/CB42a placed on 20th
March 1954
(sic - At ease italics & should be "1964") completed the initial production
order with a further 19 aircraft, serials XS944 to
XS954 and XS977 to XS995. These were to have
been operational aircraft and would probably
have been assigned to No. 40 squadron and/or
No. 237 OCU at Coningsby.
When the project was
cancelled, work had started on XS944 and
fuselage frames were under construction.
At the time of cancellation, no further serial
allocations had been made in anticipation of any
further orders, although the subsequent
allocation of serials for the proposed purchase of
F-111K suggests that the remainder of TSR2s
production run would have been allocated serials
from the ranges XV884 to XV887 and XV902 to XV947.
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Thx for that At Ease, I'll read it soon I hope. Kind of makes it even more sad knowing they actually order 11 and still burned it all.... so close, yet....
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It is interesting to view JFKs last speech at Fort Worth, the morning of his assassination. He talks about the TFX, later to be known as the F-111... and Australia's contribution to the program.

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Interestingly, the Keating government picked up a further 15 FB-111s from surplus USAF stocks at a bargain basement price in the mid 90s.
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