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Old 21 Feb 15, 21:19
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Canada's primary problem apart from the obvious is that 90% of its population live within 100 miles or so of the US border if I'm not mistaken. Sure the Canadian military can retreat into some serious wilderness but then what can they fight back with ultimately as their industrial supply is under threat very quickly as its all based in the south and then again like the Romans at Hadrians Wall, why then keep going north?
90% is the CIA handbook figure, the National Geographic figure is 75%. Even then that number assumes a border in the middle of lake Ontario which is an ineffective starting point. If you take an effective starting point then way less than 50% of the Canadian population lives within 100 miles of the US border. The geographical location of Toronto alone makes it less than 50%.
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90% is the CIA handbook figure, the National Geographic figure is 75%. Even then that number assumes a border in the middle of lake Ontario which is an ineffective starting point. If you take an effective starting point then way less than 50% of the Canadian population lives within 100 miles of the US border. The geographical location of Toronto alone makes it less than 50%.
Wrong. The distance from Buffalo to Toronto is only 98 miles, and there's many areas of New York closer to Toronto than Buffalo. Don't they teach you Canuckians geography? Sorry, I couldn't resist...
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Wrong. The distance from Buffalo to Toronto is only 98 miles, and there's many areas of New York closer to Toronto than Buffalo. Don't they teach you Canuckians geography? Sorry, I couldn't resist...
Ha, ha! 99.1 miles according to Google maps which takes in almost nothing of the region of 7 million or so.
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Ha, ha! 99.1 miles according to Google maps which takes in almost nothing of the region of 7 million or so.
80 miles from Niagara Falls, NY. That extra 20 miles takes in most of the Metro area. Read my whole post. There are places closed than Buffalo. He who laughs last, laughs best. LMAO!
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80 miles from Niagara Falls, NY. That extra 20 miles takes in most of the Metro area. Read my whole post. There are places closed than Buffalo. He who laughs last, laughs best. LMAO!
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Yeah well I'm glad you got the last laugh in ha, ha,ha



there is still a big population in Southern Ontario out of the clutch of the so what about it anyway 100 mile rule
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They could do one of two options. The Atlantic fleet should try to sail to destroy Naval Submarine Base New London. 7 Halifax-class frigates, 2 Iroquois-class destroyers (I'm pressing one deactivated 09/14 back into service), 1 Victoria class submarine, and 6 Kingston-class coastal defence vessels. Meanwhile the Pacific fleet goes for Naval Station Everett to attack the USN carrier strike group there. 5 Halifax-class frigates, 1 Iroquois-class destroyers (I'm pressing one deactivated 09/14 back into service), 3 Victoria class submarines, and 6 Kingston-class coastal defence vessels. The attack starts with submarines then ship launched helicopters, then land based CP-140's flying under the radar, and then finally destroyers, frigates and attack boats.

The other option is to go defensive and hide until a good opportunity presents itself. I'm assuming a carrier strike group on each coast will be stationed off the coast. Say both fleets sail north and hide deep in an arctic bay. Then once the carrier strike groups arrive, have the Canadian fleets sail out and try to attack after they have launched their strike aircraft. Who knows, the audacity might surprise them.
Not feasible at all. First, leave all the Kingstons at home. They'd just get their crews killed. All they have is a manually operated 40mm Bofors and two Ma Deuces.
Second, each ocean only has one replenishment vessel, which is near the end of its life. Third, any navy is lucky to have 1/3 to 1/2 of its ships ready to sortie at one time.
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In my experience at least over by the British Columbia crossings, the Canadians were generally very cordial. It was the US border guards who apart from some notable and fine exceptions were inordinately grumpy. One woman was outright horrible I'm afraid.
Yeah it varies. Most of my bad experiences was with the Canadians. Though there are some real idiots on the American side.
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