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By the end of 1943, Troop F, the assault gun troop, was finally getting the standardized equipment. The requirements moved away from the T30 75mm HMC, to the new M8 75mm Howitzer Motor Carriage, that was based on the hull and power train of the M5 Stuart light tank. This would prove to be a very good choice for the cavalry!


M8 75mm HMC a vast improvement over the half-track based M3 GMC and T30 HMC
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These vehicles introduced into the Squadron, during 1943, would be the primary vehicles that would charge across France from D-Day to the early days of 1945, that would see some new equipment and expedients being intoduced into the cavalry.
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I just found out that it was named for Winfred Scott.
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Add to references for this thread...

Vanderbeen, B. H. (1967). M.3 Half-Track APC. Armour in Profile(17). (S. Pugh, Ed.) Great Bookham, Surrey, England: Profile Publications.
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I just found out that it was named for Winfred Scott.
Who is 'Winfred Scott'?

Do you mean Winfield Scott, US general, War of 1812 and the Mexican War?
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I just found out that it was named for Winfred Scott.
What was named for Winfred (sic) Scott?

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What was named for Winfred (sic) Scott?

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The M8 Scott Howitzer Motor Carriage
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Actually under US designation system. Names weren't given to tanks. They were given to them by the British. Official nomenclature for this vehicle is U.S. Army, M8, 75mm Howitzer Motor Carriage.

The only piece of ordnance to officially receive a name in US service was the M26 Pershing, all other names were given by the British....
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Actually under US designation system. Names weren't given to tanks. They were given to them by the British. Official nomenclature for this vehicle is U.S. Army, M8, 75mm Howitzer Motor Carriage.

The only piece of ordnance to officially receive a name in US service was the M26 Pershing, all other names were given by the British....
Official or not, that was the derivation of the nickname for the M8 HMC.

At least one source says that the Ordinance Department made the name official in November 1944.
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The registration number on this vehicle got me to thinking, because it didn't seem right. Most registration numbers on Gun/Howitzer Motor Carriages were in the 40 series. So, I went and checked my sources. It turns out the number could be correct. Some special armor vehicles based on tank hulls could be numbered in the 30 series. I have looked at my photographic evidence and i have found M8 HMC carrying both 30 and 40 series numbers.

Here is a great explanation of US Army registration numbers.



It was scanned from:

Mesko, J. (2005). U.S. ARMOR Camouflage and Markings World War II (Vol. 6090). Carrollton, TX: Squadron/Signal Publications.
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The registration number on this vehicle got me to thinking, because it didn't seem right. Most registration numbers on Gun/Howitzer Motor Carriages were in the 40 series. So, I went and checked my sources. It turns out the number could be correct. Some special armor vehicles based on tank hulls could be numbered in the 30 series. I have looked at my photographic evidence and i have found M8 HMC carrying both 30 and 40 series numbers.

Here is a great explanation of US Army registration numbers.

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It was scanned from:

Mesko, J. (2005). U.S. ARMOR Camouflage and Markings World War II (Vol. 6090). Carrollton, TX: Squadron/Signal Publications.
A lot more complicated than aircraft numbers... But it make sense.
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From my research and the photographic evidence, the above registration system was used from the 1930's to well into the 1950's, of course there were modifications to it like in 1942 the W was dropped from the numbers. sometime, in the late 1940's, the "USA" on army vehicles was replaced with "US Army" or "U.S. Army" on new production vehicles: but the basic numbering system and groups remained the same....
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