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Inadequate, mate. Of all the films mentioned here, Wee Georgie was the only one that made you feel good about being human at the end. TCM broadcast a bunch of Scottish-themed flicks this past St Andrew's Day -- Brigadoon high was among them -- but Wee Geordie was the only one which the whole family enjoyed. Ever since my boy's been running 'round doing a pretty good Scottish accent: he picks things up amazingly quickly -- our late friend Allsirgarnet had him doing a pretty credible Cockney within a few weeks.

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Certainly true, I remember a hairdresser on Martha's Vineyard doing my wife's hair who couldn't understand why we'd visited Gettysburg. Unfortunately much the same is true in general of Britons' knowledge of British history.
Are you telling me that there's a significant mass of Britons who know nothing about Culloden, or Hastings, or the Globe? Is that a function of the Universal A$$hole Gene (UAG)?

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Mark V posted a few above. Rob Roy was the first that sprang to mind, but there is another one from roughly the same time I was thinking about.

Trainspotting?
Trainspotting? Rather provocative.



Is the Ewen McGregor character's pessimism a result of his Scottishness, or his heroin use?

For a real Scottish treat, try The Acid House, also based on an Irvine Welsh novel. For native English speakers, subtitles are provided. :crosseyes:
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Inadequate, mate. Of all the films mentioned here, Wee Georgie was the only one that made you feel good about being human at the end. TCM broadcast a bunch of Scottish-themed flicks this past St Andrew's Day -- Brigadoon high was among them -- but Wee Geordie was the only one which the whole family enjoyed. Ever since my boy's been running 'round doing a pretty good Scottish accent: he picks things up amazingly quickly -- our late friend Allsirgarnet had him doing a pretty credible Cockney within a few weeks.



Are you telling me that there's a significant mass of Britons who know nothing about Culloden, or Hastings, or the Globe? Is that a function of the Universal A$$hole Gene (UAG)?



Trainspotting? Rather provocative.



Is the Ewen McGregor character's pessimism a result of his Scottishness, or his heroin use?

For a real Scottish treat, try The Acid House, also based on an Irvine Welsh novel. For native English speakers, subtitles are provided. :crosseyes:
There is no such thing as A Scottish Accent. Scotland has a plethora of accents and dialects and a native of Morningside and one of Bridgeton Cross might well be equally unintelligible to each other. Some in the Highlands are extremely parsimonious with their words. I once bought a jacket in an Inverness store and the sales attendant spoke two words to me during the entire transaction. In some places p is substituted for b and so on and so forth.

And Yes there are many who have gone through school and have no idea what Culloden is or was.

What is often seen as pessimism is in effect a very dry humour. I can remember the Warden of my Hall of Residence, a Scot, who had been home on leave when the Fall of France was announced telling me that he had said to one of the crofters on the estate "well at least we know where we are now - there's no one left to let us down" and getting the reply "there's still the English - I wouldna trust them"
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There is no such thing as A Scottish Accent. Scotland has a plethora of accents and dialects and a native of Morningside and one of Bridgeton Cross might well be equally unintelligible to each other. Some in the Highlands are extremely parsimonious with their words. I once bought a jacket in an Inverness store and the sales attendant spoke two words to me during the entire transaction. In some places p is substituted for b and so on and so forth.
Can't the same be said of England? From Liverpool to Yorkshire to Cornwall to the East End, there's hardly a two of you who sound alike. Knew me a Yorkshireman, and on the phone he'd have mercy on me and start out slowly and clearly, but when he got on a roll, I was left totally clueless.

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And Yes there are many who have gone through school and have no idea what Culloden is or was.
Does that apply in Scotland as well?

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What is often seen as pessimism is in effect a very dry humour. I can remember the Warden of my Hall of Residence, a Scot, who had been home on leave when the Fall of France was announced telling me that he had said to one of the crofters on the estate "well at least we know where we are now - there's no one left to let us down" and getting the reply "there's still the English - I wouldna trust them"
You know, there are those who'd agree wholeheartedly. Not me, of course, but perhaps some of my Pittenweem cousins.

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Can't the same be said of England? From Liverpool to Yorkshire to Cornwall to the East End, there's hardly a two of you who sound alike. Knew me a Yorkshireman, and on the phone he'd have mercy on me and start out slowly and clearly, but when he got on a roll, I was left totally clueless.



Does that apply in Scotland as well?





Worse than you think for example Yorkshire has more than one accent so that someone from South Yorkshire will sound different from one from the West Riding. According to Bill Bryson England has more accents in relation to its area than anywhere else

Scotland used to be able to claim a better education system than England but in recent years performance has been poorer. For some time there seems to have been a tendency in both nations to adopt the latest educational fashions including trying to concentrate on things like culturally related history, This had been at the cost of British history including things like important elements such as wars and battles, important and influential people and major national events.
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What is often seen as pessimism is in effect a very dry humour. I can remember the Warden of my Hall of Residence . . . .
"Hall of Residence": is that Brit-speak for prison? it must be, since it's run by a warden. "Wardens" in the US usually run prisons, as was shown by the bloke who played Longshanks in Braveheart: he also played the warden in Escape from Alcatraz.



And thus we've brought this thread 'round again to its original topic.

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Worse than you think for example Yorkshire has more than one accent so that someone from South Yorkshire will sound different from one from the West Riding. According to Bill Bryson England has more accents in relation to its area than anywhere else
There was a time that one could determine a New Yorker's place of residence by his accent, that's how distinct they were. But alas, such is no longer the case.

[QUOTE=MarkVScotland used to be able to claim a better education system than England but in recent years performance has been poorer. For some time there seems to have been a tendency in both nations to adopt the latest educational fashions including trying to concentrate on things like culturally related history, This had been at the cost of British history including things like important elements such as wars and battles, important and influential people and major national events.[/quote]

So you're saying that students in the UK -- English and Scottish alike, as well as Welsh and Northern Irish -- are every bit as ignorant as their US counterparts?



Surely there has to be a British version of that.

I don't know whether to feel sorry for you guys, or feel better about ourselves, but either way, it's pretty sad.
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