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Old 03 May 15, 23:36
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So far we have video and casualty evidence that elements of the Pskov Airborne division is/was operating near Luhansk and we have video and POW proof that elements of the 98th Guards airborne division was active in August during the miraculous military resurgence of the rebels and encirclement of UA forces southeast of Donetsk. Both units are a long way from home I might add.

Perhaps we can locate where elements of those two divisions are now operating in Ukraine? Of course Putin may have to give permission like with the little green men or we could just proceed without him.

I still think an invasion north of Luhansk is Putin's next move, Mariupol is too obvious and he knows Europe is all sensitive about it. Threatening to trap or trapping those brigades including the 128th up there, opening up a potential Kharkiv front would do a lot more than just capturing Mariupol and getting more sanctions.
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So far we have video and casualty evidence that elements of the Pskov Airborne division is/was operating near Luhansk
Can you share this epic evidences???
I only hear about them and when one happen to share videos, or photo mateirals it appears to be burnt Ukrainian armor. Sorry to disappoint you here.

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and we have video and POW proof that elements of the 98th Guards airborne division was active in August during the miraculous military resurgence of the rebels and encirclement of UA forces southeast of Donetsk. Both units are a long way from home I might add.
As I have already told you 10 soldiers were cpatured on march missed their way, but not in fight. So, this your statement is absolutely empty.

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Perhaps we can locate where elements of those two divisions are now operating in Ukraine? Of course Putin may have to give permission like with the little green men or we could just proceed without him.

I still think an invasion north of Luhansk is Putin's next move, Mariupol is too obvious and he knows Europe is all sensitive about it. Threatening to trap or trapping those brigades including the 128th up there, opening up a potential Kharkiv front would do a lot more than just capturing Mariupol and getting more sanctions.
There are no Russian troops in Donbass. I'ts very hard to search for the black cat in a dark room. Especially when there are no any cat there
And stop offtopic here.
I think admins can move this discussion to proper thread.
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Concentration of Ukrainian troops and possible directions of their attacks. Map provided by Ministry of Defense of DNR


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Another absurd piece of propaganda from our Russian friends.

Ukraine is in no position to prosecute what is being asserted by the Russian side. Even if it were, it is widely known Russia will respond with direct military intervention as seen with Illoviask, Debelatseve and Luhansk. What we have from reasonably trustworthy sources is that the artillery duel continues with both sides proving incapable of complying with Minsk.

Several attempts at piercing the defences of the highway between Donetsk and Mariuopol by the Pro-Russian side have shown they are incapable of advance without Russian army units. Communication and maintenance issues made those attacks look pathetic by the Seps and their "volunteers".

Russia has enough radar, drones and unconventional methods of surveillance that a buildup and staging required for the above would be met very quickly with Russian artillery.
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Another absurd piece of propaganda from our Russian friends.

Ukraine is in no position to prosecute what is being asserted by the Russian side. Even if it were, it is widely known Russia will respond with direct military intervention as seen with Illoviask, Debelatseve and Luhansk.
There were no any intervention from Russia.
If you know proved facts, provide that proofs proper thread, but stop booting in this thread devoted to maps.

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What we have from reasonably trustworthy sources is that the artillery duel continues with both sides proving incapable of complying with Minsk.
Yes, I know that duels continued, but it was because of endless shellings by Ukrainian artillery. As I have already written rebels returned back some part of their artillery to stop terroristic attacks of Ukrainian troops against Gorlovka, Donetsk and other settlements.
We can see every day new destroyed hospitals, kindergartens and elements of structure on rebels side from Ukrainian artillery fire, but nothing similar from Ukrainian side. Oh, there are some reports about "suddenly exploded artillery depots" on Ukrainian side. How came they are found so close to the fronline while due to Minsk agreements they had to be removed? And btw, absolutely no information about similar explosions at rebels positions, that proves Ukrainian artillery shells mostly at civilian towns, not at rebels fortifications, which are built outside from those.


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Several attempts at piercing the defences of the highway between Donetsk and Mariuopol by the Pro-Russian side have shown they are incapable of advance without Russian army units.
Sorry, but I must conclude this is declaration without any proofs.
There were no any attempt of rebels offensive. The counter-attack took place when Ukrainian forces suddenly attacked Novaya Laspa, but failed to move forward and retreated. Also, some local movements occurs like sudden run of Ukrainian forces from 10 rebels

Just for you, translating dertails of this glorious fight with map, to be in the subject of this thread.
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Ukrainian troops ran in panic in Lugansk area abandoned important strategic positions.
Rebels at night August 21/22 as a result of defensive fight using only small arms managed to capture strategic railway station Marjevka

At night Ukrainian troops attacked our positions and as a result of intensive defensive fight at Kirovsk - Zolotoye, the enemy quickly ran away from Marjevka station area.
After sudden attack of Ukrainian troops against rebels positions the enemy having caught back fire and been afraid of surrounding after loosing of ammo depot and firing positions as a result of self-explosion retreated in panic for 3 kms
Rebels units captured the railway station. The whole village Mikhailovka was taken as well, but not one half as it was before

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another source gaves more details aboutt this attack.
http://dnr24.su/dnr/6851-ukrainskie-...v-marevke.html

A group of 10 rebels moved forward to observation post near enemy positions. Ukrainian soldiers opened fire against them. Rebels from neighbor checkpoints supported their comrades with fire of small arms according to Minsk agreements
Ukrainian soldiers thought it was rebels' offensive and ran away from Marjevka. Also a part of Zolotoye was abandoned. After this they contacted with rebels command asking to stop fights, which even hadn't started

"We had no plans to attack anything. We took care about possible breakthrough from tehir side, because there were reasons to think so. We tried to set observators. They caught fire. Our group moved forward and opened fire in reply and as a result they quickly retreated. Later they tried to come in with APCs but again caught fire from small arms. So, they decided not to proceed attacks and retreated" - said commander of "Yermak" cossack battalion with nick "Ataman"

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Communication and maintenance issues made those attacks look pathetic by the Seps and their "volunteers".
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Russia has enough radar, drones and unconventional methods of surveillance that a buildup and staging required for the above would be met very quickly with Russian artillery.
Where are they? who saw them?
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How is the offensive progressing, do you have more "maps"?
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How is the offensive progressing, do you have more "maps"?

Where I told about offensive? I told about possible directions of offensive.
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