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Canadians vs Indians?

Aside from Colonel Garnet Wolseley's Red River Expedition in 1870 and Louis Riel's Northwest Rebellion in 1884 was there ever any significant fighting between the British/Canadian government and the Indians in what is today Canada?
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Aside from Colonel Garnet Wolseley's Red River Expedition in 1870 and Louis Riel's Northwest Rebellion in 1884 was there ever any significant fighting between the British/Canadian government and the Indians in what is today Canada?
... largely because the reality was much different than south of the border. For one thing, thanks to the St. Lawrence route into the interior of NA, "Canadiens" had penetrated the Great Plains much earlier; we're talking early 1700's, to the Rockies in the 1740's, and the Athabasca country before the US Revolution. The Montreal Fur Traders acted as a de facto government, allied with the FN's, the Northwest Company and Hudson's Bay Company would take up the mantle. The Canadian West was largely acquired from the HBC in 1868, which returned their charter to Rupert's Land (3.9 million km² vs. Louisiana Purchase 2.14 million km²) to the British Gov't, which then gave it to the Dominion of Canada, where it rightfully belonged.

The FN's in the west were quiet with the changeover, Poundmaker's Cree weren't even the problem in Saskatchewan. The Metis/Michif peoples under Riel wanted their own status with or without Confederation, and were willing to fight for it; but times change, Riel himself has been rehabilitated as a "Father of Confederation" of sorts.
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Also there were a number of skirmishes during the French Indian Wars in Nova Scotia. For example the raid on Lunenburg in 1756, this from WIKI:

The Raid on Lunenburg occurred during the French and Indian War when a militia of the Wabanaki Confederacy (Mi'kmaw) attacked a British settlement at Lunenburg, Nova Scotia on May 8, 1756.[1][2] The native militia raided two islands on the northern outskirts of the fortified Township of Lunenburg, [John] Rous Island and Payzant Island (present day Covey Island).[3] The Maliseet killed twenty settlers and took five prisoners. This raid was the first of nine the Natives and Acadians would conduct against the peninsula over a three-year period during the war. The Wabanaki Confederacy took John and Lewis Payzant prisoner, both of whom recorded one of the few Captivity narratives that exist from Nova Scotia/ Acadia.
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French Acadie existed ...

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Also there were a number of skirmishes during the French Indian Wars in Nova Scotia. For example the raid on Lunenburg in 1756, this from WIKI:

The Raid on Lunenburg occurred during the French and Indian War when a militia of the Wabanaki Confederacy (Mi'kmaw) attacked a British settlement at Lunenburg, Nova Scotia on May 8, 1756.[1][2] The native militia raided two islands on the northern outskirts of the fortified Township of Lunenburg, [John] Rous Island and Payzant Island (present day Covey Island).[3] The Maliseet killed twenty settlers and took five prisoners. This raid was the first of nine the Natives and Acadians would conduct against the peninsula over a three-year period during the war. The Wabanaki Confederacy took John and Lewis Payzant prisoner, both of whom recorded one of the few Captivity narratives that exist from Nova Scotia/ Acadia.
... only with the good graces of the Mi'kmaq, who wanted and protected the French colony within their midst. Acadie was widely separated and never very large, without that protection the English would have simply taken all of the area over, Acadie would've just disappeared entirely.

When Champlain and his force started building a fort at the site of Port Royal in 1605, Chief Membertou of the Souriquois (what the French called the Mi'kmaq) was on hand, and his people were included in the process, activities, meals etc., and a close bond was forged between French and the FN.

Later, when Champlain's funding collapsed due to the private investment company supporting the endeavor, losing it's fur monopoly, the French were required to pack up and return to France. Membertou and the Souriquois promised to take care of Port Royal until the French returned.

The French left in August 1607, Champlain returned to the St. Lawrence the next year, he sent one of his Captaines, Pierre Champdoré back to Port Royal. Champdoré found the fort just as they left it, the Souriquois had even tended the gardens, providing Champdoré with several barrels of wheat. Even though the areas of habitation in Acadie would shift and change, the bonds with the Souriquois and other Algonquian peoples of the Maritimes remained sound and were never broken.
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Thanks for the responses, I had always known that Canada has had a ... very different approach regarding Indians (First Nations).

I do recall that there were a number of violent protests involving First Nations peoples some years back. I think in Quebec? The Canadian Army had to deploy troops IIRC.
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Thanks for the responses, I had always known that Canada has had a ... very different approach regarding Indians (First Nations).

I do recall that there were a number of violent protests involving First Nations peoples some years back. I think in Quebec? The Canadian Army had to deploy troops IIRC.
That was the OKA crisis, this image became the iconic symbol of the crisis:

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Thanks for the responses, I had always known that Canada has had a ... very different approach regarding Indians (First Nations).

I do recall that there were a number of violent protests involving First Nations peoples some years back. I think in Quebec? The Canadian Army had to deploy troops IIRC.
... the relationship with New France, Anglo-America and the FN's is much more interesting than post-Treaty of Paris, 1763 and the British/Canadian period, and largely unknown south of the border.
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Didn't Sitting Bull and his Sioux (Lakota ?) seek sanctuary in Canada after the Battle of the Little Big Horn ?
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Yes and where Chief Joseph was leading his people as well.

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After the battle of Tippecanoe and the sacking and burning of mainly Indian inhabited Prophetstown by US troops under Harrison the Indian Confederation under Tecumseh increased its degree of co-operation with the British authorities in Canada and many of them fought alongside the British and Canadians against US forces in the War of 1812
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Didn't Sitting Bull and his Sioux (Lakota ?) seek sanctuary in Canada after the Battle of the Little Big Horn ?
... here's a very ubiquitous Canadian Heritage minute from the 90's, featuring Graham Greene, promoted from Kicking Bird in "Dances With Wolves", to Sitting Bull himself!



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"The Native Americans' victory celebrations were short-lived. Public shock and outrage at Custer's death and defeat, and the government's knowledge about the remaining Sioux, led them to assign thousands more soldiers to the area. Over the next year, the new American military forces pursued the Lakota, forcing many of the Native Americans to surrender. Sitting Bull refused to surrender and in May 1877 led his band across the border into the North-West Territories, Canada. He remained in exile for four years near Wood Mountain, refusing a pardon and the chance to return. When crossing the border into Canadian territory, Sitting Bull was met by the Mounties of the region. During this meeting, James Morrow Walsh, commander of the North-West Mounted Police, explained to Sitting Bull that the Lakota were now on British soil and must obey British law. Walsh emphasized that he enforced the law equally and that every person in the territory had a right to justice. Walsh became an advocate for Sitting Bull and the two became good friends for the remainder of their lives.

While in Canada, Sitting Bull also met with Crowfoot, who was a leader of the Blackfeet, long-time powerful enemies of the Lakota and Cheyenne. Sitting Bull wished to make peace with the Blackfeet Nation and Crowfoot. As an advocate for peace himself, Crowfoot eagerly accepted the tobacco peace offering. Sitting Bull was so impressed by Crowfoot that he named one of his sons after him. Sitting Bull and his people stayed in Canada for 4 years. Due to the smaller size of the buffalo herds in Canada, Sitting Bull and his men found it difficult to find enough food to feed his people, who were starving and exhausted. Sitting Bull’s presence in the country led to increased tensions between the Canadian and the United States governments. Before Sitting Bull left Canada, he may have visited Walsh for a final time and left a ceremonial headdress as a memento."
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Another interesting leader is Thayendanegea (Joseph Brant), a Mohawk who ended up settling in what is now Burlington, Ontario. His dealings with the British and Americans in the time of the Revolutionary War show someone who was actively seeking to deal with the changing political landscape of North America.
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I do recall that there were a number of violent protests involving First Nations peoples some years back. I think in Quebec? The Canadian Army had to deploy troops IIRC.
That was between the "warrior society" and the rest of the tribe, at the St Regis Reservation, which straddles the Quebec/New York State border.
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That was between the "warrior society" and the rest of the tribe, at the St Regis Reservation, which straddles the Quebec/New York State border.
... the hot spot was Oka/Kanesatake PQ at the confluence of the Ottawa and St. Lawrence i.e. between PQ/ON. Other Iroquois reserves i.e. Kahnawake and Akwesasne on the St. Lawrence acted up in support. St. Regis is actually only the US portion of the larger Akwesasne, which straddles ON/PQ/NY, it's notoriety was smuggling, from cigarettes to illegal aliens and everything in between. The St. Regis Warrior Society/Reserve "disagreement" was a later problem largely based on smuggling.

I lived and breathed this area back in the early 90's, on a personal level I had to travel through it, and around it depending on which bridges were affected that day, when my father was dying in NB the summer of 1990; I was not a happy camper at the time. Mention the word "Mohawk" within FN communities and you'll get head shaking and the words "trouble makers".
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... the hot spot was Oka/Kanesatake PQ at the confluence of the Ottawa and St. Lawrence i.e. between PQ/ON. Other Iroquois reserves i.e. Kahnawake and Akwesasne on the St. Lawrence acted up in support. St. Regis is actually only the US portion of the larger Akwesasne, which straddles ON/PQ/NY, it's notoriety was smuggling, from cigarettes to illegal aliens and everything in between. The St. Regis Warrior Society/Reserve "disagreement" was a later problem largely based on smuggling.
IIRC the St Regis-Warrior Society flap started 'round 1987 or so, but really flared up in '89 . . . . Had me an uncle 'round Plattsburgh way where I spent as much time as I could back then. The smuggling at the heart of the dispute, at least among the St Regis crowd, was of the snortable and injectable varieties. Yeah, the Warriors talked a lot about "heritage," but underneath the noble talk, there was narcotics -- an a lot a friggin' money -- at stake.

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I lived and breathed this area back in the early 90's, on a personal level I had to travel through it, and around it depending on which bridges were affected that day, when my father was dying in NB the summer of 1990; I was not a happy camper at the time.
Yeah, I can see your teeth were probably ground down to powder 'round that time.

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Mention the word "Mohawk" within FN communities and you'll get head shaking and the words "trouble makers".
So that explains the reaction I get from folks: ancient French Slicks married Huron squaws, while ancient English/Scot/Welsh Slicks married Mohawks.
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