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Common Law: one cannot extend one's structure on to another's property, ie the street. The wall in question was raised in a single night, according to legend at any rate.

I agree that some discrimination against Irish folks did occur. But the links provided itt show that folks of Scottish and Irish background were very, very much a part of the US.

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American citizens and the founders alike stood for religious freedom.

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By their actions, the Founding Fathers made clear that their primary concern was religious freedom, not the advancement of a state religion. Individuals, not the government, would define religious faith and practice in the United States. Thus the Founders ensured that in no official sense would America be a Christian Republic. Ten years after the Constitutional Convention ended its work, the country assured the world that the United States was a secular state, and that its negotiations would adhere to the rule of law, not the dictates of the Christian faith. The assurances were contained in the Treaty of Tripoli of 1797 and were intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced.21 John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers.22


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Since you brought up the anti Catholic link Slick,

Some Christian groups focused on the Bible have been derided as "Bible thumpers". Depictions of evangelicals as uneducated rubes or hypocrites are common in Hollywood movies and television shows, such as Saved!, Shawshank Redemption, There Will Be Blood [15] and Inherit the Wind.[16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Protestantism

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It does not mean that all Catholics or even Catholics in general are against Protestants.


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I agree that there was discrimination in the USA, IMO black folks have suffered the worst, they were enchained.
NOBODY IS SAYING THEY WEREN'T!

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As for Irish immigrants to the US, It has been shown a few posts ago that folks of Irish and Scottish background played a large role in the American Revolution, fighting under George Washington.
And with the Crown forces as well; Regulars and Provincials. So...?

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And lets not forget here, Irishmen fight back...back in those days when the Irish were being "discriminated against the US...they fought back or perhaps in some cases started the scuffle.
Errr. Which means....what?
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Since you brought up the anti Catholic link Slick,

Some Christian groups focused on the Bible have been derided as "Bible thumpers". Depictions of evangelicals as uneducated rubes or hypocrites are common in Hollywood movies and television shows, such as Saved!, Shawshank Redemption, There Will Be Blood [15] and Inherit the Wind.[16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Protestantism

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It does not mean that all Catholics or even Catholics in general are against Protestants.
You are right that thoughtful Catholics are not against Protestants, as such, we just think they are in major ways wrong in their many [about 35,000 and rising] practices of 'Christianity'.
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And with the Crown forces as well; Regulars and Provincials. So...?



Errr. Which means....what?
I have said nothing about you disregarding the issue of slavery, it seems like you think that I think you dont care about the plight of slaves... Use the caps locks against ISIL....not in a discussion where I am simply suggesting the Irish were not discriminated against anymore then other white folks in the USA.


And yes I said ,

And lets not forget here, Irishmen fight back...back in those days when the Irish were being "discriminated against the US...they fought back or perhaps in some cases started the scuffle.

I say that because its of course wrong to just assume the Irish are perfect and have never done anything bad. Sometimes folks will try and paint a picture that Irishmen never started a fight, but if you look deeper into the history of Irishmen you have good and bad like with anyone else.

Now my point is that common American citizens and the founders alike stood for religious freedom...I have posted documentation of this in other threads.
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Now my point is that common American citizens and the founders alike stood for religious freedom...I have posted documentation of this in other threads.
Yes, sort of, maybe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separa..._United_States

As the Constitution of the US was originally understood, the limitations in the Bill of Rights only applied to the federal gov't. States, except in the instances where the Constitution prohibited power to them, retained their power and were governed by their state constitutions. This lasted until the gradual incorporation of the Bill of Rights under the 14th amendment (the 14th was passed after the Civil War) beginning in 1925. As the wiki article makes clear, there were varying ideas of establishment of religion, with Massachusetts requiring membership in a church (denomination established by the vote of the members, de facto supporting Congregationalism) until 1833, and NC allowed only Protestants to hold public office until 1835.

The states that stopped established religions closest to the Revolution were those that had the Church of England, with its explicit ties to the English monarch, as the established religion, while those with other religions generally held on to them longer, despite the 1st amendment (which, as noted, was seen at the time as applying only to the federal gov't).

So its not nearly as clear cut as you make it sound, although certainly trending in that direction from the Revolution.
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