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Old 20 Sep 14, 06:05
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Actually the fact that they fell for the Phantom army bluff just shows that they were not up to par doesn't it? Anyway I think that half of the 'square heads' with any pull were afraid of 'crossing' Adolf and Adolf said the Calais area. lcm1
The Pas de Calais - Picardy region is much more likely as a landing zone in a cross channel attack simply because the distance is so much shorter. Going the other way, Kent is the obvious target. Simple questions like fighter cover duration and harbours for resupply point toward the eastern end of the channel being a better bet than anything west/mid-west. Then there's the strategic advantage of being that much closer to the German border. Calais is the 70% bet, Normandy the 30%.
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The Pas de Calais - Picardy region is much more likely as a landing zone in a cross channel attack simply because the distance is so much shorter. Going the other way, Kent is the obvious target. Simple questions like fighter cover duration and harbours for resupply point toward the eastern end of the channel being a better bet than anything west/mid-west. Then there's the strategic advantage of being that much closer to the German border. Calais is the 70% bet, Normandy the 30%.
Why on earth are you telling me all that bw ? Anyone capable of reading a map knows that instantly. Adolf probably did the same thing and it was a brave man that argued too long with Uncle Adolf!And going the other way (as you put it) Sussex was also included with Brighton being designated as the most westerly point. lcm1
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Yesterday my German troops crushed the D-Day invasion in Panzer Corps which makes me wonder: did Germany ever have a realistic chance of stopping the D-Day invasion and pushing the Allies back into the sea, as boasted by Rommel?
In what universe?

IF Hitler had looked into his crystal ball and deduced that the Invasion would come on the Normandy beaches,

AND IF Hitler had ordered that the approaches be systematically reinforced with lots of artillery in casements, machine-guns bunkers, etc,

AND IF this had all been completed in a timely manner,

THEN YES, there is the real possibility that the landing craft and their tenders would have been shot to smithereens. Sink them, and the invasion is over.

That's' how it plays out in a game.

Another alternative timeline is to erase Barbarossa. Without the Eastern Front, Germany would have fared very differently. An invasion in 1944 might have been repulsed.

In the real world, not a chance. The landing beaches were too weakly defended. There were no reinforcements. There was no force available to launch a counterattack. Without air cover, anything that moved was getting plastered, pinning the defenders in place. The only possibility is to annihilate the landing force on the beach. I think Rommel even said that.

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It's even worse than that - 21st Panzer was nearly perfectly placed as a counterattack force, but got stopped dead by the assault force.
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The plan was for the Allies to be able to re-inforce the beachead quicker than the Germans could add to the assault force. Landing 1000 tanks on the first day is just one example of how well it worked.
Normandy was relatively 'weakly held' as a direct result of the overall Allied strategy. It did not happen by accident.
The beachead was always under threat and people seem to forget the German offensive designed to reach the beaches in late June. It ran into EPSOM and was comfortably repulsed.
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