A Glorious Army: Robert E. Lee's Truimph 1862-1863 Review

[semperpietas]

Originally Posted by B7B Southern

I really don't appreciate being called a liar! Hill was not in reserve!! He
was trying to get around and by 2 wagon trains per Krick which slowed him
getting to the field.

Also, Stonewall had deployed as many men as he had but that was NOT enough
to hold back the Union attack and his men panicked. Then he went to hunt down Hill and ran into Hills regiments and ordered them to attack before
they could completely form up.

You are going to get the last word on this because that ends my discussion
concerning Cedar Mountain any further.

I would strongly recommend Krick's book. It would surely enlighten you.

I didn't call you a liar or disparage your honesty. I said you were incorrect and quoted from the source you claim to use. Big difference.

His men panicked (particularly Garnett's command) because they were overextended on the left without support. That is partly Jackson's fault. It is also partially Winder's fault for not paying attention to his flank rather than focusing on placing artillery. Taliaferro tried to correct the problem, but by then it was too late.

I was quoting from Krick's book by the way. Guess you didn't read that part. But then again it doesn't surprise me if you didn't.

[hellboy30]

Originally Posted by B7B Southern

I really don't appreciate being called a liar! Hill was not in reserve!! He
was trying to get around and by 2 wagon trains per Krick which slowed him
getting to the field.

Also, Stonewall had deployed as many men as he had but that was NOT enough
to hold back the Union attack and his men panicked. Then he went to hunt down Hill and ran into Hills regiments and ordered them to attack before
they could completely form up.

You are going to get the last word on this because that ends my discussion
concerning Cedar Mountain any further.

I would strongly recommend Krick's book. It would surely enlighten you.

Easy Marshall.....Semper simply said you were wrong-he did not call you a liar. Lying implies you know the answer but say it is something else. If you are wrong, it implies that your information is faulty. Understand the difference & reference, reference, reference.

[B7B Southern]

http://blueandgraytrail.com/event/Ba...Cedar_Mountain

[semperpietas]

Originally Posted by B7B Southern

http://blueandgraytrail.com/event/Ba...Cedar_Mountain

Versus my references of Bob Krick's Stonewall Jackson at Cedar Mountainand Jeffry Wert's book. They have bibliographies. That website does not.

BTW, from that website:

Jackson, however, did not return to his command post. Instead, he went south on the Orange-Culpepper Road in search of A. P. Hill. The first brigade he came upon was Lawrence Branch's North Carolinians. Jackson ordered them forward to support Taliaferro's endangered left flank. As Branch's men reached their position an ill-advised Union attack by George Gordon had just gotten underway. With the help of the North Carolinians, the attack was repulsed.

Branch's Brigade was in the Light Division.

[B7B Southern]

I already posted what you posted. You are not following along.

[semperpietas]

Originally Posted by B7B Southern

I already posted what you posted. You are not following along.

I just used some of your reference that supports my argument. You said Jackson had reformed the line before Hill had arrived. This isn't correct because Thomas' Brigade was up on Early's right when the action was starting, while Branch's Brigade took part in counterattack that drove Gordon away. Jackson's line had not really reformed until after Hill's division was up and counterattacking.

I would also like to see where you posted that.

[B7B Southern]

I am done.

[cici]

Originally Posted by semperpietas

I just used some of your reference that supports my argument. You said Jackson had reformed the line before Hill had arrived. This isn't correct because Thomas' Brigade was up on Early's right when the action was starting, while Branch's Brigade took part in counterattack that drove Gordon away. Jackson's line had not really reformed until after Hill's division was up and counterattacking.

I would also like to see where you posted that.

Chase,

Actually it was Longstreet's fault. He allowed Jackson to take a beatdown because he was jealous of Stonewall. Even though Lee did not issue orders, he thought about them and Longstreet should have known that he should have sped to Jackson and reinforce him at Cedar Mt.

We see this behavior later in the month on the 30th of August when Longstreet intentionally and without any remorse allowed Jackson to be assaulted for 15 MINUTES!!! before Lee issued strongly worded order that he should help Old Jack and not be such a childish pain.

By the way, on a more serious level, I have this book. Typical Wert. Careful research and analysis, that is well written. Good synthesis of the modern research on the ANV.

[semperpietas]

Originally Posted by cici

Chase,

Actually it was Longstreet's fault. He allowed Jackson to take a beatdown because he was jealous of Stonewall. Even though Lee did not issue orders, he thought about them and Longstreet should have known that he should have sped to Jackson and reinforce him at Cedar Mt.

We see this behavior later in the month on the 30th of August when Longstreet intentionally and without any remorse allowed Jackson to be assaulted for 15 MINUTES!!! before Lee issued strongly worded order that he should help Old Jack and not be such a childish pain.

By the way, on a more serious level, I have this book. Typical Wert. Careful research and analysis, that is well written. Good synthesis of the modern research on the ANV.

Which reminds me. There should be a modern study on the Army of Tennessee. It has been much neglected since Connelly's study.