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Stranger in a Strange Land might get them to look at their society from an outsider's POV.
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Okay guys, I need your help! As a prelude to studying Ender's Game in my English classes (special education), the kiddos are writing formal papers that describe what their futuristic society would look like. After much weeping and gnashing of teeth, I settled on the problem: they haven't grown up with enough Sci-Fi to really know what they want to see. So, I created a graphic organizer to help them gather their ideas. They needed a little more. I made them presentations that highlight some of the best sci-fi communication and fashion trends.

I'm a little fried though, and keep thinking of the same movies. Has anyone got any pictures or videos for the following categories:

* Transportation
* Lifestyles/Quality of Life
* Family and Social Interactions (to include conception - no porn though )
* Shopping/Cooking/Domestic Chores
* Working Conditions

Thanks in advance!
If looking for reading material rather than visual/video/films, Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" would provide some of your list.

What I find even more interesting at times is what we have and where we are that doesn't seem to have been foreseen in Sci-Fi of the past few decades. Growth in use and capabilities of personal computers is one seldom forseen back in the mid-seventies when I was taking computer programing and "state of the art" was still based upon 80 column key-punch cards.

Star Trek's communicators of the original series are often tauted as forseeing our cell phones, but current touch-screen phones go far beyond the style and capability of the ST "communicators".

Meanwhile, flying cars remain a distant "pipe dream". And many futrure techs of Sci-Fi have fizzled, often in place of even better ideas seldom forseen.
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Now, if you're looking for books I recommend this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mo...ss_and_the_Son

Kingsbury's book written at the end of the 70's presages the attack of the twin towers on 9/11, in a oblique way the rise of Islamic terrorism, and the resurgence of a Russian empire ala Putin, only more Imperial.

It's definitely worth a read.
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Why Science-Fiction Writers Couldn’t Imagine the Internet
Game-changing real-world discoveries defy prediction.
http://www.slate.com/articles/techno...all_mob_fb_top
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Why Science-Fiction Writers Couldn’t Imagine the Internet
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http://www.slate.com/articles/techno...all_mob_fb_top
E M Forster's The Machine Stops, 1909, anticipates many aspects of the Internet - some people just need to read a little more widely.
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Star Trek Discovery looks to be pretty good. Certainly better than Orville.
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Thanks guys! I thought the most fun student idea was the flying bike: for the advanced society that values their environment!
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..the kiddos are writing formal papers that describe what their futuristic society would look like.
The film 'Interstellar' suggests there won't be a future society at all because dust storms are ravaging the earth and killing crops, so they have to go searching for a new planet to migrate to..





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I found Interstellar to be about as plausible as The Day After Tomorrow. The plot drove science rather than the other way around.
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If you define your request a bit more specifically, Biscuit, maybe we can do a better job or suggesting. Remember, sci-fi is the largest world-ending genre as well as other plots.
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I found Interstellar to be about as plausible as The Day After Tomorrow. The plot drove science rather than the other way around.
Essential!y it didn''t match your own perjudices !
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I found Interstellar to be about as plausible as The Day After Tomorrow. The plot drove science rather than the other way around.
At least to its credit Interstellar factored the time dilation thing into the story, for example when shuttling down to a planet near a black hole one crew member says "Remember, an hour on the planet is 7 years back on earth".
People in youtube comments are saying the film had them in tears and I can well understand that.
Spoiler alert-
In this scene McConaughey in deep space catches up on old family messages from home transmitted years ago and is hit by the awful realisation that he's unable to talk to them because they're separated not just by distance, but also by a great gulf of time..
https://youtu.be/MoLkabPK3YU
(Warning, the clips sound is low so don't forget to turn your speaker volume down again afterwards)

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Interstellar was a huge disappointment.

Earth, despite its advanced technology, cannot overcome the Depression-era "dust bowl"? Large scale hydroponics disappeared when? Before or after being able to build an advanced star-traveling ship?

Despite orbital recon, nobody sees that there is ZERO land on the tidal planet?

The robots, although interesting, were highly impractical from an exploratory standpoint, much like R2D2 who needed a level surface to go anywhere. There are outstanding evolutionary reasons why humans are jointed the way we are.

Traveling through a black hole is an oft-used gimmick - see Disney's Black Hole 40 years or more ago - but according to all of the current knowledge and theories, utterly impossible.

The ending was entirely too contrived.

And McConaughey needs to do some serious work on his ability to express emotions. He hasn't seen his daughter in an entire lifetime and his eyes don't even glisten?

Huge budget, tons of FX and CGI but the story being told did not live up the reality.
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Interstellar was a huge disappointment...
We could say that about any film but that doesn't mean they're still not great entertainment; for example I've been trying in vain for 50 years to figger out the ending of 2001:Space Odyssey but still always enjoy watching it every time it comes round on TV..

Regarding Interstellar, maybe the future dust bowl thing is beyond human knowhow to fix and could be the end result of global warming that's already begun.
And I think they touched down on the water planet mainly to retrieve the black box recordings left by the previous ill-fated expedition.
Looked like a surfers paradise though, with waves as big as mountains stirred up by gravitational effects..
The ending was a bit difficult to figger (shades of Odyssey again), but overall Interstellar was a powerful (almost spiritual) thought-provoking film because it made us realise that here on earth we're like a fragile pinpoint in the vast ocean of time and space.
"Here on this bank and shoal of time"- Macbeth
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If you want an SF novel about the use of a black hole and time dilation for interstellar travel try A World Out of Time by Larry Niven. Since the method he describes does not involve passing through the hole, which would kill you but using the time distorting effect of sling shotting round a huge one then it may be doable but has some disadvantages like arriving back thousands or even millions of years after you first left - still if you put your money in a really reliable investment vehicle before you left

A disaster we might well not have the technology to fix is something that either increases or reduce the sun's activity in effect making earth's orbit no longer in the Goldilocks zone. In Niven's novel the shock wave generated by a large planet sized body falling into the sun from outside the solar system has the effect of warming things up - but to be fair he also suggests a way of changing orbit too.
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