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View Poll Results: Which tank was the least burdensome for running costs, maintenance and repair?
Matilda II 0 0%
Crusader 0 0%
Churchill 0 0%
Valentine 0 0%
Cromwell 1 2.56%
Somua S-35 0 0%
Char B-1 bis 0 0%
PzKpfw 38(t) 6 15.38%
PzKpfw III 0 0%
PzKpfw IV (short & long guns combined) 0 0%
Tiger I 0 0%
Panther 0 0%
Tiger II 0 0%
M 13-40/14-41/15-42 0 0%
Type 97 Chi-Ha 0 0%
BT-5/7 0 0%
T-34 (76 and 85 combined) 6 15.38%
KV-1 0 0%
IS-2 0 0%
M3 Medium 0 0%
M4 Medium (all versions combined) 26 66.67%
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Unfortunately I don't have proper citations, there isn't much out there on the 38t because its just simply not a popular sexy topic like the cats, T34, Sherman, etc.
The best info easily accessible is probably: achtungpanzer

The Germans were very lucky to get a great tank just when they needed it. I don't see their early campaigns going the same way they did without the Czech tanks.
The following is the best single source I have for the 38t. The engine was chosen for its reliability and its overall design for its simplicity. In the openning paragraph it quotes:
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Not so obscure is the fact that the basic hull, chassis and running gear of the PzKpfw 38 (t) proved to be so reliable, sturdy and versitile that it remained close to the core of the German armoured warfare operational scene from 1939 until 1945.
A great little tank, under-rated in most quarters, just like the Valentine.

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Unfortunately I don't have proper citations, there isn't much out there on the 38t because its just simply not a popular sexy topic like the cats, T34, Sherman, etc.
Lol. I thought only the cats were sexy.
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The Sherman, even though the T-34 surely is a close contender. Part of the low maintenance costs of the T-34 depended upon the fact that often, if one of them had just run for too long, you just didn't repair it.
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The Sherman, even though the T-34 surely is a close contender. Part of the low maintenance costs of the T-34 depended upon the fact that often, if one of them had just run for too long, you just didn't repair it.
Thanks Michele, your vote for the Sherman has been recorded.
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Voted for the M4.

Very Low: Valentine, M3, T-34.

Low: Cromwell, IS-2, PzKpfw 38(t).

Moderate: Churchill, BT-5/7, Somua S-35, PzKpfw III, PzKpfw IV, Type 97.

High: Matilda II, KV-1, Tiger I, Char B-1 bis, M 13-40/14-41/15-42.

Very High: Tiger II, Panther, Crusader.
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Voted for the M4.

Very Low: Valentine, M3, T-34.

Low: Cromwell, IS-2, PzKpfw 38(t).

Moderate: Churchill, BT-5/7, Somua S-35, PzKpfw III, PzKpfw IV, Type 97.

High: Matilda II, KV-1, Tiger I, Char B-1 bis, M 13-40/14-41/15-42.

Very High: Tiger II, Panther, Crusader.
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For me, the top five contenders here were:
  • Valentine
  • PzKpfw 38(t)
  • T-34
  • M3 Medium
  • M4 Medium
After some considerable thought, I voted for the PzKpfw 38(t) as 'champion' for the full 30 points.

Here's how the rest of my scores pan out:

Very Low (24 points) - Valentine, T-34, M3 Medium, M4 Medium
Low (18 points) - Cromwell, PzKpfw III, PzKpfw IV, Type 97
Moderate (12 points) - Matilda II, Churchill, Somua S-35, BT-5/7, IS-2
High (6 points) - Crusader, Char B-1 bis, Tiger I, M 13-40/14-41/15-42
Very High - Panther, Tiger II, KV-1
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The Pzkfw 38(t) gets my vote.
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Very Low: Valentine, M4, M3, T-34.
Low: Cromwell, IS-2, Pzkfw III, Pzkfw IV.
Moderate: Churchill, BT-5/7, Somua S-35, Type 97.
High: Matilda II, KV-1, Tiger I, Char B-1 bis, M 13-40/14-41/15-42.
Very High: Tiger II, Panther, Crusader.

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With the listed criteria, the light Pz.Kpfw.38(t) is a ringer when placed among the heavier tanks.

Very low: M3, M4, Valentine
Low: T-34 (early tanks had engine issues, some related to the air cleaners), BT-5/7 (light tank, good range in BT-7, but work on Christie suspension was laborious), Cromwell, Pz.Kpfw.III, Pz.Kpfw.IV
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High: Tiger I, Char B1, SOMUA (the French didn't get much time to really train on the new tanks, and mechanical issues were one of the results), Panther, M 13-40/14-41/15-42
Very high: Tiger II, KV-1, Crusader

I don't feel I know enough about the reliability of Type 97 to make an informed decision.
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With the listed criteria, the light Pz.Kpfw.38(t) is a ringer when placed among the heavier tanks.

Very low: M3, M4, Valentine
Low: T-34 (early tanks had engine issues, some related to the air cleaners), BT-5/7 (light tank, good range in BT-7, but work on Christie suspension was laborious), Cromwell, Pz.Kpfw.III, Pz.Kpfw.IV
Moderate: Churchill (later tanks proved reliable, but early ones were so troubled that they came with an apology from the manufacturer), Matilda II, IS-2
High: Tiger I, Char B1, SOMUA (the French didn't get much time to really train on the new tanks, and mechanical issues were one of the results), Panther, M 13-40/14-41/15-42
Very high: Tiger II, KV-1, Crusader

I don't feel I know enough about the reliability of Type 97 to make an informed decision.
Thanks Chris, all scores recorded. No worries about the Type 97, this can be taken on the average of other members' ratings for that tank.
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Moderate: Churchill (later tanks proved reliable, but early ones were so troubled that they came with an apology from the manufacturerI don't feel I know enough about the reliability of Type 97 to make an informed decision.
Very true. The first Churchills were so bad engineers from the factory actually accompanied the tanks to the combat zone . 42 was not a good year.

By the end of the N African campaign things were vastly improved. This is actually shown by the Churchills ability to keep up with the best T-34's in 43, something that heavy KV's and light T-70's could not do off road, and certainly not for 100's of miles.

The Churchill was rushed into service a year early, and suffered accordingly.
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M4 has tops here for me, followed by

T-34, Valentine, Cromwell-(very low)

the rest are moderate (due to lack of reliable infor)

though Panther and Tigers 1&2 can go to the pits of "Very High"
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M4 has tops here for me, followed by

T-34, Valentine, Cromwell-(very low)

the rest are moderate (due to lack of reliable infor)

though Panther and Tigers 1&2 can go to the pits of "Very High"
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Final Scores for 'Cost of Running/Maintenance/Repair'

Final Scores for the 'Cost of Running/Maintenance/Repair' poll:

1st - M4 Medium (28.6)
2nd - T-34 (23.8)
3rd - PzKpfw 38(t) (22.2)
4th - M3 Medium (21.5)
5th - Valentine (21)
6th - Cromwell (18.1)
Equal 7th - PzKpfw III, PzKpfw IV and IS-2 (16.5)
8th - BT-5/7 (15.5)
9th - Churchill (12.5)
10th - Type 97 (12)
11th - Somua S-35 (11.5)
12th - Matilda II (10.5)
13th - M 13-40 (10)
14th - Char B-1 bis (7)
15th - Tiger I (6.5)
16th - KV-1 (6)
Equal 17th - Crusader and Panther (3)
18th - Tiger II (0.5)


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I think members are on the right track (pun intended) putting Crusader, Panther and Tiger II at the bottom of the list. Most of the rest I wouldn't disagree with too much either, but maybe the Churchill could be a tad higher once its bugs were fixed. I reckon there would always have been a tussle between M4 and T-34 for top spot, although the Sherman nailed it by a somewhat clearer margin in this particular poll.
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