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Greatest/Best Tank of WW2 An archive of the WWII Forum's Greatest/Best Tank mini-contest.

View Poll Results: For its time, which tank had the most outstanding proven battlefield performance?
Matilda II 0 0%
Crusader 0 0%
Churchill 4 8.00%
Valentine 0 0%
Cromwell 0 0%
Somua S-35 0 0%
Char B-1 bis 0 0%
PzKpfw 38(t) 0 0%
PzKpfw III 1 2.00%
PzKpfw IV (short & long guns combined) 9 18.00%
Tiger I 14 28.00%
Panther 1 2.00%
Tiger II 0 0%
M 13-40/14-41/15-42 0 0%
Type 97 Chi-Ha 0 0%
BT-5/7 0 0%
T-34 (76 and 85 combined) 10 20.00%
KV-1 0 0%
IS-2 1 2.00%
M3 Medium 0 0%
M4 Medium (all versions combined) 10 20.00%
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Welcome to the Proven Battlefield Performance Poll; one of twelve polls where you will have the opportunity to help decide the greatest/best tank of WW2, as determined by our ACG membership.
You are also invited to discuss/debate the proven battlefield performance of all 21 tanks in this particular thread.


7. Proven battlefield performance (max 40 points)

Notwithstanding the intended role set and design attributes of the tank, how good and effective was its proven battlefield performance and combat record in the battles, campaigns, theatres and terrain where it was used?
How effective was it with regard to its proven ability to (a) support a breakthrough and (b) exploit it afterwards (degree of approach to the practical ideal of the 'main battle tank')?


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In your opinion, in terms of proven battlefield performance as well as its ability to help both create and exploit breakthroughs, was the tank ...

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There are several contenders here for no 1 spot. The KV-1 and T-34 for 1941 are two obvious examples, as is the Matilda 2 for 1940 and the Tiger 1 for 1943. However, if there is one tank that is a game changer, as opposed to having tanks when the enemy has not, then that needs to be picked.

Excellent (36) - T-34, M4, Pz III and IV, Tiger 1
Good (24) - Valentine, IS-2, Matilda II, Panther
OK (12) - Tiger 2, Cromwell, Somua S-35, Char B-1 bis, PzKpfw 38(t), M 13-40/14-41/15-42, Type 97 Chi-Ha, BT-5/7, M3 medium, IS-2. KV-1
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There are several contenders here for no 1 spot. The KV-1 and T-34 for 1941 are two obvious examples, as is the Matilda 2 for 1940 and the Tiger 1 for 1943. However, if there is one tank that is a game changer, as opposed to having tanks when the enemy has not, then that needs to be picked.

Excellent (36) - T-34, M4, Pz III and IV, Tiger 1
Good (24) - Valentine, IS-2, Matilda II, Panther
OK (12) - Tiger 2, Cromwell, Somua S-35, Char B-1 bis, PzKpfw 38(t), M 13-40/14-41/15-42, Type 97 Chi-Ha, BT-5/7, M3 medium, IS-2. KV-1
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OK Nick, thanks.

I entered the IS-2 as 'Good' (24 points) where I saw it first in your post (naturally enough, reading from top down) although I noted you also put it under 'OK' (12 points). Please let me know if you want me to change my entry.
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OK Nick, thanks.

I entered the IS-2 as 'Good' (24 points) where I saw it first in your post (naturally enough, reading from top down) although I noted you also put it under 'OK' (12 points). Please let me know if you want me to change my entry.
Good is fine .

It is its operational mobility that allows it to reach battlefields under its own steam that makes it better than most in its weight class. Having a heavy when the enemy cannot is always going to help. It also had a proven record against King Tigers, albeit the IS-2 was about equal to the Tiger 1 in combat overall.
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Benchmark: T-34 - These were everywhere on the Eastern Front. Everybody used them there - everybody.

Excellent: PzKpfw IV, Valentine, M4 Medium, IS-2 - M4 medium almost made it to the top spot but shortages and later deployment than the T-34 held it back. The others were there when they were needed.

Good: Churchill, PzKpfw III, Tiger I, Panther, Type 97 Chi-Ha, KV-1 - They didn't always get there on time, or broke down, or just didn't have enough firepower, or armor, or something.

OK: M3 Medium, PzKpfw 38(t), Somua S-35, BT-5/7, Tiger II, Matilda II, Cromwell, M 13-40/14-41/15-42, Crusader - too old, too weak, too slow, too bad.

Poor: Char B-1 bis - Doctrine failed this one.
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Excellent (36) Tiger II T-34 Panther PzKpfw IV PzKpfw III M4

Good (24) IS-2 Valentine Cromwell Churchill Matilda II

OK (12) M3 KV-1 BT 5/7 PzKpfw 38T Char B-1 Somua S35 Type 97 Crusader M13-14

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I'm going with the Pz.Kpfw. IV on this one. Whilst less reliable that the T-34, did not serve as long (though some were used to the late 60's), and had poor armour shape and suspension, it was one of the best medium tanks of the war, and the only one of them (vs M4/T-34) to be produced throughout the entire war. It was also immensely adaptable, starting out with just 14.5mm armour and a short howitzer, and ending with 80mm armour and an excellent 75mm AT gun. It also had numerous adaptions, just like T-34 and M4.

Excellent: T-34, M-4 Medium, Tiger I, Panther, IS-2

Good: Cromwell, Pz III, BT-5/7, Churchill

OK: M-3 medium, Somua S-35, Valentine, PzKpfw 38(t), Type 97 Chi-Ha, KV-1, Char B1 bis

Poor: M 13-40/14-41/15-42, Crusader, Matilda II, Tiger II
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The mediums were the workhorses of the war, being out produced easily over light and heavy tanks. My choice for top dog had legs and brought firepower to the battlefield in many forms. Even when facing heavier hitters this tank was able to hold its own. The M4.

Excellent- T-34, PzIV, Churchill

Good-Tiger I, IS-2, Valentine, Cromwell, Matilda II, Pz III, PzKpfw 38T

OK-Panther, M-3 medium, BT-5/7, Somua S-35, Char B-1 bis, KV-1
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Poor- M13,Tiger II, Type 97 Chi-Ha
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Benchmark: T-34 - These were everywhere on the Eastern Front. Everybody used them there - everybody.

Excellent: PzKpfw IV, Valentine, M4 Medium, IS-2 - M4 medium almost made it to the top spot but shortages and later deployment than the T-34 held it back. The others were there when they were needed.

Good: Churchill, PzKpfw III, Tiger I, Panther, Type 97 Chi-Ha, KV-1 - They didn't always get there on time, or broke down, or just didn't have enough firepower, or armor, or something.

OK: M3 Medium, PzKpfw 38(t), Somua S-35, BT-5/7, Tiger II, Matilda II, Cromwell, M 13-40/14-41/15-42, Crusader - too old, too weak, too slow, too bad.

Poor: Char B-1 bis - Doctrine failed this one.
I would concur almost precisely: except that I would demote the Churchill to "OK", and, conversely, promote Matilda II to "Good"


Certainly the T34 sets the agenda.
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I would concur almost precisely: except that I would demote the Churchill to "OK", and, conversely, promote Matilda II to "Good"


Certainly the T34 sets the agenda.
Not read a lot on the Churchill then ?
You're probably correct on the matilda 2 .
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I'm going with the Pz.Kpfw. IV on this one. Whilst less reliable that the T-34, did not serve as long (though some were used to the late 60's), and had poor armour shape and suspension, it was one of the best medium tanks of the war, and the only one of them (vs M4/T-34) to be produced throughout the entire war. It was also immensely adaptable, starting out with just 14.5mm armour and a short howitzer, and ending with 80mm armour and an excellent 75mm AT gun. It also had numerous adaptions, just like T-34 and M4.

Excellent: T-34, M-4 Medium, Tiger I, Panther, IS-2

Good: Cromwell, Pz III, BT-5/7, Churchill

OK: M-3 medium, Somua S-35, Valentine, PzKpfw 38(t), Type 97 Chi-Ha, KV-1, Char B1 bis

Poor: M 13-40/14-41/15-42, Crusader, Matilda II
... and Tiger II?
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The mediums were the workhorses of the war, being out produced easily over light and heavy tanks. My choice for top dog had legs and brought firepower to the battlefield in many forms. Even when facing heavier hitters this tank was able to hold its own. The M4.

Excellent- T-34, PzIV, Churchill

Good-Tiger I, IS-2, Valentine, Cromwell, Matilda II, Pz III, PzKpfw 38T

OK-Panther, M-3 medium, BT-5/7, Somua S-35, Char B-1 bis, KV-1

Poor- M13,Tiger II, Type 97 Chi-Ha
... and Crusader?
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I would concur almost precisely: except that I would demote the Churchill to "OK", and, conversely, promote Matilda II to "Good"


Certainly the T34 sets the agenda.
Welcome to the polls, Philip.

Do you eventually intend to cast a primary vote (i.e. select your #1 tank) in all 12 polls? If so, I can register your secondary votes for this criterion in accordance with your stated preferences here, if you like.
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