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True but essentially the same thing as free will. If one is unaware of all options, they can only will to those available or really to those one is aware of.
Yes but are they really options? At best the exercise of your free will (if any) will be skewed or directed towards a specific option by the totality of your biology, your experiences and the circumstances in which you are deciding. None of those factors have anything to do with a genuine "choice" on your part.
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Yes but are they really options? At best the exercise of your free will (if any) will be skewed or directed towards a specific option by the totality of your biology, your experiences and the circumstances in which you are deciding. None of those factors have anything to do with a genuine "choice" on your part.
Only if one accepts the bioogical/genetic/environmental determinism theory. The ability to make apparantly selfdestructive or foolish decisions exists as well nonlinear positive ones, which the determinist school has not quite accounted for and which humans have been known to repeatedly choose.
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Only if one accepts the bioogical/genetic/environmental determinism theory. The ability to make apparantly selfdestructive or foolish decisions exists as well nonlinear positive ones, which the determinist school has not quite accounted for and which humans have been known to repeatedly choose.
I am not sure why, I can see a vast array to reasons for foolish and self-destructive decisions that have little do so with free will. Indeed, suicide is often explained in terms of mental illness rather than a freely made selection.

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I am not sure why, I can see a vast array to reasons for foolish and self-destructive decisions that have little do so with free will. Indeed, suicide is often explained in terms of mental illness rather than a freely made selection.
True, but often does not equal always. No free will would mean always.

On that line of thought, it has long been theory of mine that much of determnistic thinking is dependent on rigid definitions support its and only its conclusions. It is likewise a logical loop in which all inquiry and speculation as to its nature is equally deterministic and thus unprovable or disprovable.
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