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It is a spoof but it reflects the reality of the present day Labour Party. Many of their members are little different in their attitudes to Jews than the Nazis were in the 30s.

E.g Naz Shah mp or the latest candidate approved by the party Naz Khan.

http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/...n-interviewed/
You really don't have any shame do you! Not content with using one of the worst terrorist atrocities in the UK for your political gain, you sink to new depths by using the death of millions to score cheap political points.

I'd have a degree of sympathy for your viewpoint if you were equally scathing of the rights links to antisemitism, but you seem to be more tolerant of this. Why?
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You really don't have any shame do you! Not content with using one of the worst terrorist atrocities in the UK for your political gain, you sink to new depths by using the death of millions to score cheap political points.

I'd have a degree of sympathy for your viewpoint if you were equally scathing of the rights links to antisemitism, but you seem to be more tolerant of this. Why?
You seem to be very defensive of bigots if they support the Labour Party.. Perhaps your views are not dissimilar to Naz Shah's?

No one cares what a handful of BNP nutters believe. What an elected MP of a mainstream political party who has the full support of the leadership believes is another matter entirely. I do not recall any current Conservative mp calling for millions of people to be driven out of their homes and forcibly resettled thousands of miles away, do you? I also do not recall the subject of whether the Holocaust happened or not being a topic of discussion at any recent Conservative conference as it was at this year's Labour one.
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You seem to be very defensive of bigots if they support the Labour Party.. Perhaps your views are not dissimilar to Naz Shah's?

No one cares what a handful of BNP nutters believe. What an elected MP of a mainstream political party who has the full support of the leadership believes is another matter entirely. I do not recall any current Conservative mp calling for millions of people to be driven out of their homes and forcibly resettled thousands of miles away, do you? I also do not recall the subject of whether the Holocaust happened or not being a topic of discussion at any recent Conservative conference as it was at this year's Labour one.
So you've moved on from using the suffering of others to score cheap political points, on to good old fashion plain and simple - making things up.

Show me where I've defended the Labour party? I oppose the Labour party as much as you do, although I oppose their policies whereas with you it seems more personal.
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So you've moved on from using the suffering of others to score cheap political points, on to good old fashion plain and simple - making things up.

Show me where I've defended the Labour party? I oppose the Labour party as much as you do, although I oppose their policies whereas with you it seems more personal.
You always jump in to defend Labour and the left in general.
It is on record that current leading members of the Labour Party have in the past been sympathetic to Ira, Hamas, Hezbolla and even ambiguous over Isis. In fact anyone who wants to kill us.

That makes it personal.
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You always jump in to defend Labour and the left in general.
It is on record that current leading members of the Labour Party have in the past been sympathetic to Ira, Hamas, Hezbolla and even ambiguous over Isis. In fact anyone who wants to kill us.

That makes it personal.
I wasn't defending Labour, I was defending those who died in the atrocities that you decided use to attack Labour.

I may be interested in a society that embraces social justice, but that does not make me a socialist. I am a committed capitalist, and I'll never tire of reminding socialists that capitalism gives us the money to do all the important things in society, such as raise living standards or improve the NHS.
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Another troll for the ignore list.
How very grown up of you, don't worry someone will come along to pick your toys up and put them back in your pram soon.

Anyway, back to the real world. I challenge your opinion, and the only thing that you can believe is that I'm doing it to wind you up. Why is it so difficult for you to believe that maybe my opinions are sincere?
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I oppose the Labour party as much as you do, although I oppose their policies whereas with you it seems more personal.
So the growing anti-semitism in the Labour party doesn't bother you?

Presumably you'd be just as unconcerned at the same hate delivered to any ethnic group.
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So the growing anti-semitism in the Labour party doesn't bother you?

Presumably you'd be just as unconcerned at the same hate delivered to any ethnic group.
Here we go again.

All anti-semitism bothers me, as it would to anyone who has just a very basic understanding of history. The question is though, why should I be more bothered about it when it comes from the Labour party?
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All anti-semitism bothers me, as it would to anyone who has just a very basic understanding of history. The question is though, why should I be more bothered about it when it comes from the Labour party?
Have you really not noticed?! Anti-semitism is becoming institutionalized in Corbyn's Labour party.
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S.funny how these labour MP's can get away with this crap when a deputy speaker for 'Britain First' was arrested yesterday by the Northern Ireland police for attending an anti-terrorist meeting outside the Belfast town hall back in the summer....

Can someone tell me why we see right wing movements closed down and people arrested, but not so left wing?

Anyway! All the parties, Tory, Liberal, Labour, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Sinn Fein Greens in the UK, are all at least moderate lefties. Centrists are dead and any on the right are evil, nation loving, racist Brexiters.

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Have you really not noticed?! Anti-semitism is becoming institutionalized in Corbyn's Labour party.
When did I suggest that I have not noticed? Are you making this up as you go along?

So, why should I be more bothered about anti-Semitism when it come from the Labour Party, and why does it seem to bother you more?
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When did I suggest that I have not noticed? Are you making this up as you go along?

So, why should I be more bothered about anti-Semitism when it come from the Labour Party, and why does it seem to bother you more?
Do you bother reading what other people, or indeed yourself, write?

Anyway
"Labour 'too tolerant' of anti-Semitism - new poll "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...tism-new-poll/
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Do you bother reading what other people, or indeed yourself, write?

Anyway
"Labour 'too tolerant' of anti-Semitism - new poll "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...tism-new-poll/
Do you?

Did you notice this:All anti-semitism bothers me, as it would to anyone who has just a very basic understanding of history. The question is though, why should I be more bothered about it when it comes from the Labour party?

So how can you fail to understand that of course I am bothered by anti-Semitism from the Labour party?

Am I more bothered about not anti-Semitism from Labour as I am about anti-Semitism elsewhere. No, and as I asked you, why should I be. I find it all equally vile.
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You seem to be very defensive of bigots if they support the Labour Party.. Perhaps your views are not dissimilar to Naz Shah's?

No one cares what a handful of BNP nutters believe. What an elected MP of a mainstream political party who has the full support of the leadership believes is another matter entirely. I do not recall any current Conservative mp calling for millions of people to be driven out of their homes and forcibly resettled thousands of miles away, do you? I also do not recall the subject of whether the Holocaust happened or not being a topic of discussion at any recent Conservative conference as it was at this year's Labour one.


"Hold on there, Billy Buck!" Are you saying that Holocaust denial was on the agenda at this year's Labour Party convention?

Sorry, mate, but I really need a source for that one. Thanks in advance.
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