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Then & Now Biodiversity

I came across Arctic Grayling in Au Sable River, Michigan while reading (The Way of a Trout by R.P. Van Gytenbeek)" Trout Un Limited Denver, Colorado.
Arctic Grayling where present through out the Great lakes including Nipigon River by me according to (Fishing Places, Fishing People by Dianne Newell & Rosemary E. Ommer.
According to the theory the waters were more Oligotropic at the time period than now ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophic_state_index ) as an area was deforested the water temperature went up.

I learned about these tropic states years ago from the In Fisherman (Al & Ron Linder "Linder Media").
In Linder Meets Lake Nipigon they are fishing for Brook Trout a type of Arctic Char a remenant of the Ice Age on Oligotrophic Waters...

Many species are no longer with us or only in name today such as the Passenger Pigeon (Pigeon River, Minnesota & Pigeon River, Michigan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_pigeon

The list of species that either do not exist or their range has been drastically altered is long... ( Elk, Bison, Rattle Snakes & Cougar in Eastern North America etc..

The Ancient North American Tribes used fire to change the habitat in the Prairies... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native...an_use_of_fire

Ancient Elk Iron Mountain , Michigan... http://www.otsego.org/prca/articles/eastelk.htm
http://www.otsego.org/prca/articles/michelk.htm

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I came across Arctic Grayling in Au Sable River, Michigan while reading (The Way of a Trout by R.P. Van Gytenbeek)" Trout Un Limited Denver, Colorado.
Arctic Grayling where present through out the Great lakes including Nipigon River by me according to (Fishing Places, Fishing People by Dianne Newell & Rosemary E. Ommer.
According to the theory the waters were more Oligotropic at the time period than now ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophic_state_index ) as an area was deforested the water temperature went up.

I learned about these tropic states years ago from the In Fisherman (Al & Ron Linder "Linder Media").
In Linder Meets Lake Nipigon they are fishing for Brook Trout a type of Arctic Char a remenant of the Ice Age on Oligotrophic Waters...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rr02ohd64

Many species are no longer with us or only in name today such as the Passenger Pigeon (Pigeon River, Minnesota & Pigeon River, Michigan.

The list of species that either do not exist or their range has been drastically altered is long... ( Elk, Bison, Rattle Snakes & Cougar in Eastern North America etc..

The Ancient North American Tribes used fire to change the habitat in the Prairies... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native...an_use_of_fire

Ancient Elk Iron Mountain , Michigan... http://www.otsego.org/prca/articles/eastelk.htm
http://www.otsego.org/prca/articles/michelk.htm

Hope this topic is of interest to you guys...

Cheers, Patrick
Many years ago I read an account of an Elizabethan sailor stranded by a wreck somewhere on the Texan coast who, to avoid capture by the Spanish,(who were not sympatico to shipwrecked heretic Elizabethan mariners) trekked North-eastward eventually reaching the coast and fishing settlements in what is today Canada. On getting home to England he was extensively questioned by officials from Elizabeth's court. His account whilst generally credible described a continent very different from that that the European settlers who pushed westward in the 18th century and later encountered with both the lifestyle of the indigenous population and the fauna in the wild containing many elements that had already vanished or changed in a mere couple of centuries.
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Many years ago I read an account of an Elizabethan sailor stranded by a wreck somewhere on the Texan coast who, to avoid capture by the Spanish,(who were not sympatico to shipwrecked heretic Elizabethan mariners) trekked North-eastward eventually reaching the coast and fishing settlements in what is today Canada. On getting home to England he was extensively questioned by officials from Elizabeth's court. His account whilst generally credible described a continent very different from that that the European settlers who pushed westward in the 18th century and later encountered with both the lifestyle of the indigenous population and the fauna in the wild containing many elements that had already vanished or changed in a mere couple of centuries.
At one time we had Woodlands Caribou on Caribou Island, Thunder Bay, Ontario way before my time though.
Woodlands Caribou do exist on the Slate Islands, Lake Superior near the town of Terrace Bay, Ontario. http://www.terracebayschreiber.ca/?pgid=12

Some animals that use to live here are very far away now like the Wolverine and they exist only in sports teams like the Michigan Wolverine's.

I've never seen a Wolverine but I've seen a Fisher run right up a tree and bat the tail feathers right off a Raven while checking my Mink Set same Weasel Family maybe he caught the scent.

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You might look up honey bees in the Americas.

Or, earthworms.

Citrus trees.

There are all sorts of things the European settlers brought to the American continent that added to biodiversity and in some cases overtook or wrecked what was here.

That's what nature does even without man's help.
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You might look up honey bees in the Americas.

Or, earthworms.

Citrus trees.

There are all sorts of things the European settlers brought to the American continent that added to biodiversity and in some cases overtook or wrecked what was here.

That's what nature does even without man's help.
No not nature alone - man transported them there

Works both ways we've just managed to eliminate coypu and are on the way to dong the same with mink but seem to be stuck with grey squirrels all of which came from the Americas. The coypu did massive damage to wetland habitats and the mink almost wiped out the native British Water Vole or Water Rat (Ratty in Wind in the Willows). The Greys have done much the same to the native red squirrel.
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Works both ways we've just managed to eliminate coypu and are on the way to dong the same with mink but seem to be stuck with grey squirrels all of which came from the Americas. The coypu did massive damage to wetland habitats and the mink almost wiped out the native British Water Vole or Water Rat (Ratty in Wind in the Willows). The Greys have done much the same to the native red squirrel.
I've learned a lot about different animals and their interaction with man in the Grasslands, Parklands & Woodlands of North America from Arthur J Rays book (Indian's in the Fur Trade: "Their Roles as Trappers, Hunters and Middleman in the Lands Southwest of Hudson's Bay, 1660 - 1870").

The maps and the details are excellent giving a picture of the company's involved their problems associated with goods traded, transportation & food requirements are particularly interesting.

Many tribes from the Grasslands were replaced by tribes from the Parklands & Woodlands as disease rocked them due to Small Pox.
Hudson's Bay Company was the first to inoculate the Indians with Cow Pox as the disease was spread to the western interior.

There are a lot of interesting time periods uncovered such as the first horse @ the Mandan Village on the Missouri River & Steam Powered Paddle Wheels spelling the end of life as the Native American's knew it in the 1800's.

The American Fur Trading Company with it's more direct route into the center of America offered the cheapest transportation costs.

The Northwest Company was the most expensive route to the west going from Montreal by birch bark canoe & the Hudson's Bay Company was some where in between using York Boats from York Factory on Hudson's Bay.

All changed the west but none as fast as the cheapest route possible today it is still the cheapest route to ship heavy equipment to the Canadian Tar Sands the problems of Geography are still the same now as then.

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Works both ways we've just managed to eliminate coypu and are on the way to dong the same with mink but seem to be stuck with grey squirrels all of which came from the Americas. The coypu did massive damage to wetland habitats and the mink almost wiped out the native British Water Vole or Water Rat (Ratty in Wind in the Willows). The Greys have done much the same to the native red squirrel.
I'd expect that.

In the US its been a major changer of the landscape. From being a major cause of the demise of many Indian tribes, to changing the nature of forests across most of the US new and invasive species have tremendous impact on nature as a whole.

I won't argue that this is a good or bad thing, instead I'd say its an inevitability of nature. Man may have a hand in this sort of thing, but man isn't the only cause. Nature finds a way on its own too.
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I'd expect that.

In the US its been a major changer of the landscape. From being a major cause of the demise of many Indian tribes, to changing the nature of forests across most of the US new and invasive species have tremendous impact on nature as a whole.

I won't argue that this is a good or bad thing, instead I'd say its an inevitability of nature. Man may have a hand in this sort of thing, but man isn't the only cause. Nature finds a way on its own too.
No nature hasn't found a way to deliver alien species across thousands of miles of ocean - man has.
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Good Point... Samuel Du Champlain brought Sea Worms from France to the Bay of Fundy case in point the little buggers hitched a ride.

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Big hint: Man is a species...
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Absolutely Sir!

The Indians were burning the Prairie to increase the size of the Buffalo herds and at one time they only needed to travel 2-3 days from Grand Portage, Minnesota to hunt Woodland Bison.
I believe the American Fur Trader Peter Pond (Northwest Company Partner)hunted the Parkland around Ely, Minnesota in the late 1700's prior to heading to Methy Portage (Fort McMurray, Alberta Area).

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Wrong.
ISLAND OF HAWAI‘I, Hawaii — The use of sophisticated DNA sequencing by a team of scientists has determined that Hawaii's state land mammal, the Hawaiian hoary bat, migrated to the islands from the Pacific coast of North America in two separate waves more than 9,000 years apart.

“Because the Hawaiian hoary bat is the only living native land mammal in Hawai‘i and is on the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s endangered species list we want to know everything possible about its genetic history, relationships to other bats, and if there are unique subpopulations on different Hawaiian islands,” said Dr. Amy Russell, Associate Professor of Biology at Grand Valley State University and lead author of the study.

This feat represents the longest overwater flight followed with the founding of a new population for any bat, of which there are 1300 species. The new study estimates that these migrations from mainland North America happened around 800 years ago and 10,000 years ago.


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http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article...7#.VsJSo_krJaQ



It's over 2,300 miles from the Pacific coast of North America to Hawai'i.
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ISLAND OF HAWAI‘I, Hawaii — The use of sophisticated DNA sequencing by a team of scientists has determined that Hawaii's state land mammal, the Hawaiian hoary bat, migrated to the islands from the Pacific coast of North America in two separate waves more than 9,000 years apart.

“Because the Hawaiian hoary bat is the only living native land mammal in Hawai‘i and is on the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s endangered species list we want to know everything possible about its genetic history, relationships to other bats, and if there are unique subpopulations on different Hawaiian islands,” said Dr. Amy Russell, Associate Professor of Biology at Grand Valley State University and lead author of the study.

This feat represents the longest overwater flight followed with the founding of a new population for any bat, of which there are 1300 species. The new study estimates that these migrations from mainland North America happened around 800 years ago and 10,000 years ago.


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http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article...7#.VsJSo_krJaQ



It's over 2,300 miles from the Pacific coast of North America to Hawai'i.
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