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Trump says US must ‘wipe out’ Puerto Rico debt

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President Donald Trump says “We’re going to have to wipe out” Puerto Rico’s debt in the wake of destruction caused by Hurricane Maria.

He tells Fox News in an interview that: “We’re going to work something out.”

He goes on to say: “We have to look at their whole debt structure. You know, they owe a lot of money to your friends on Wall Street. And we’re going to have to wipe that out.”

The White House did not immediately respond to questions about how the president wanted to do that.
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The main problem is they built all that debt themselves. I would like to see some safeguards in place so we don't have to bail them out in 20 years. Have the Feds ever wiped out any of the 50 states' debt?

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The main problem is they built all that debt themselves. I would like to see some safeguards in place so we don't have to bail them out in 20 years. Have the Feds ever wiped out any of the 50 states' debt?

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It's a mix of issues there. It's been discussed in the past, but a simple response is that one of the large aspects to their debt is that, because they are not a State nor an independent nation, many of the strategies they have for debt restructuring just don't work. If they had been a State, then they would have had more options over the years to address the growing debt crisis.
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There will be no "wipe out" of the debt. What's happening here is that the bondholders are refusing to accept anything less than 90 cents on the dollar which honestly is really absurd. They aren't going to get anything close to that and they need to accept that.

Trump is playing hardball, he's saying this to force the creditors and bondholders to the table and make a deal with Puerto Rico's federally imposed Fiscal Oversight Board regarding the debt payments. Even Trump is aware that you have to treat the island fairly .... otherwise, a million or more very angry Puerto Ricans will move to Florida and Texas and the Republicans can kiss those states goodbye.
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The problem with this is that the President with his off the cuff quip cost holders of that debt about 20-25% of their investment. Bonds dropped from 44 cents on the dollar to 32 cents on the dollar. Wiping out 25% of their value.

The man needs to learn to shut his mouth. When you're President of the US simple sentences can cause great harm.
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The problem with this is that the President with his off the cuff quip cost holders of that debt about 20-25% of their investment. Bonds dropped from 44 cents on the dollar to 32 cents on the dollar. Wiping out 25% of their value.

The man needs to learn to shut his mouth. When you're President of the US simple sentences can cause great harm.
If DonDon hasn't matured by the age of 70 ... he's never going to. Whenever Trump speaks (about any issue) I silently think "Hurry the flip up Mueller!".
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If DonDon hasn't matured by the age of 70 ... he's never going to. Whenever Trump speaks (about any issue) I silently think "Hurry the flip up Mueller!".
He does not have to 'mature' he needs to learn to STFU.
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Give him credit...he is helping, first hand, to wipe up.

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There will be no "wipe out" of the debt. What's happening here is that the bondholders are refusing to accept anything less than 90 cents on the dollar which honestly is really absurd. They aren't going to get anything close to that and they need to accept that.

Trump is playing hardball, he's saying this to force the creditors and bondholders to the table and make a deal with Puerto Rico's federally imposed Fiscal Oversight Board regarding the debt payments. Even Trump is aware that you have to treat the island fairly .... otherwise, a million or more very angry Puerto Ricans will move to Florida and Texas and the Republicans can kiss those states goodbye.
Good. That will leave plenty of space for Americans to move to PR and live the good life.
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He does not have to 'mature' he needs to learn to STFU.
You mean the way Obama was silent? Trump is trying to fix the unfixable...but at least he is trying and not selling us out to hostile nations.
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You mean the way Obama was silent? Trump is trying to fix the unfixable...but at least he is trying and not selling us out to hostile nations.
Tossing rolls of paper towels isn't trying very hard. I would expect you to be able to top that even at your age.
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Easiest way to do that is give them their independence and let them go bankrupt.
"Get out of my country, you free loaders."

"But we didn't want independence. In fact, statehood has been the growing consensus for years now. And the US has promises repeatedly that we would get to decide on our future."

"I don't care - we don't want to pay another dime to help you out."

"But that's because you wouldn't let us restructure our debt or get access to the same financial infrastructure the states were using!"

"That's what you get for being a territory and not a state. Now get out."
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It's a mix of issues there. It's been discussed in the past, but a simple response is that one of the large aspects to their debt is that, because they are not a State nor an independent nation, many of the strategies they have for debt restructuring just don't work. If they had been a State, then they would have had more options over the years to address the growing debt crisis.
For which they can only take the blame themselves, having voted repeatedly against statehood and not being willing to become a stand-along nation.

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P*** Poor Prior Planning - which doesn't make it an emergency on our part.
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"Get out of my country, you free loaders."

"But we didn't want independence. In fact, statehood has been the growing consensus for years now. And the US has promises repeatedly that we would get to decide on our future."

"I don't care - we don't want to pay another dime to help you out."

"But that's because you wouldn't let us restructure our debt or get access to the same financial infrastructure the states were using!"

"That's what you get for being a territory and not a state. Now get out."
They've voted on statehood 5 times now... The latest was in June of this year. The consensus was for statehood but Congress hasn't acted to allow that to happen...
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