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I agree, SOS that has been argued for the last 40+ years and nothing has come out of it except for the Brady Bill and the Criminal Background Check and neither had any effect as far as I am concerned, the Criminals still have their 9 Mil's and mass shootings still continue, all the tonque waging and law making won't do any good, we have about 20.000 gun laws on the books and it would probably help some to enforce them, but we don't it's a waste of time and money to get more and more, I learned as a youngster not to **** in to the wind, as far as making Firearms illegal, good luck with that one, there are about 100+ million gun owners in our country and 99.9%, like me won't give them up, so now what?
It is part of the same old same old, which is (unfortunately) why I fear things could get worse in terms of a response.

Traditionally, the way it works is that you have a huge outpouring of anti-gun sentiment after mass murder, so the pro-gun people look to hold things down - a delaying action - because the pro-gun side is driven by their feelings at the moment and are not nearly as organized or as driven as the pro-gun groups. After a few months, the sentiment will fade and the status quo remains, with perhaps a few small knocks by anti-gun groups meant to seem like they accomplished something of worth.

Both sides feel like they accomplished something, up until we have another shooting and the cycle repeats. Anti-gun sentiment soars again, the pro-gun groups dig in their heels and raise their shields, and after a few months it all fades away again. Until there is another mass shooting and the cycle repeats.
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Giving that they made a video inciting people to commit a terrorist attack in Las Vegas, we should not exclude the possibility of a terrorist attack, especially as the FBI did NOT deny that it was a terrorist attack, but said that they had no proofs that it was a terrorist attack .
I don't exclude it, I 'm just not inclined to take their word for it.
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It is part of the same old same old, which is (unfortunately) why I fear things could get worse in terms of a response.

Traditionally, the way it works is that you have a huge outpouring of anti-gun sentiment after mass murder, so the pro-gun people look to hold things down - a delaying action - because the pro-gun side is driven by their feelings at the moment and are not nearly as organized or as driven as the pro-gun groups. After a few months, the sentiment will fade and the status quo remains, with perhaps a few small knocks by anti-gun groups meant to seem like they accomplished something of worth.

Both sides feel like they accomplished something, up until we have another shooting and the cycle repeats. Anti-gun sentiment soars again, the pro-gun groups dig in their heels and raise their shields, and after a few months it all fades away again. Until there is another mass shooting and the cycle repeats.
Tends to be how most things go vis a vis regulation or law.

Tragedy happens

Pro-NEW LAW groups go crazy, and get lots of support from the emotional weight of the tragedy.

Anti-NEW LAW groups, which also tend to peripherally include those who are actual professionals, dig in their heels and cringe at the emotional, inaccurate, and downright terrifying language from the other crowd.

Some action might happen, normally it doesn't.

After some time, the general public calm down, and things normalize.



Remember, Agent K had it right:

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."

Could we use some firearms legislation reform, rather than the patchwork that we have? Sure. Would the anti-gun crowd ever trust people who actually know what they're talking about to come up with it? Nope. Would the rest of society ever trust the anti-gun crowd to come up with it based on 'scary', 'high powered', 'assault', and other buzzwords they don't understand? Nope.

Hence things won't change. Well, not for another 20 years. At that point I figure that the snowflake types will outnumber everyone else, and we'll have a tyranny of 'relative morality'......
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I don't exclude it, I 'm just not inclined to take their word for it.
I agree. I wouldn't be surprised to see it is. However I'm not expecting it.
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Some people believe there is no right to self-defense, **** them.
The name of one of these people is very well-known :she was a presidential candidate

Immediately after the shooting, she attacked those who had nothing to do with it : the NARA.

People have guns to defend themselves against the criminals .Hillary, who supports the criminals by her opposition to a tough anti-crime law wants to prevent the lab-abiding citizens to defend themselves against the criminals .

No one would send military to war without weapons, but innocent people can't have weapons in the war against criminals .

In the Belgian city of Dendermonde an old man has been assaulted in his own house by five young criminals and is now in hospital in a critical condition .That's the result of being soft on criminals and harsh on innocent people .

Guns are less dangerous than cars : there are in the US 350 million weapons and 260 million cars

Fatal casualties : by cars some 35000, by guns 10500.

But the turn of the cars will come ; cars give people freedom,and those who are governing us dislike this .In Europe cars are being outlawed ( by the same people who want to ban guns),US will follow .

Hillary has the right on a car and bodyguards, not Smith or Jones : Smith and Jones must know their place .
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Tends to be how most things go vis a vis regulation or law.

Tragedy happens

Pro-NEW LAW groups go crazy, and get lots of support from the emotional weight of the tragedy.

Anti-NEW LAW groups, which also tend to peripherally include those who are actual professionals, dig in their heels and cringe at the emotional, inaccurate, and downright terrifying language from the other crowd.

Some action might happen, normally it doesn't.

After some time, the general public calm down, and things normalize.



Remember, Agent K had it right:

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."

Could we use some firearms legislation reform, rather than the patchwork that we have? Sure. Would the anti-gun crowd ever trust people who actually know what they're talking about to come up with it? Nope. Would the rest of society ever trust the anti-gun crowd to come up with it based on 'scary', 'high powered', 'assault', and other buzzwords they don't understand? Nope.

Hence things won't change. Well, not for another 20 years. At that point I figure that the snowflake types will outnumber everyone else, and we'll have a tyranny of 'relative morality'......
In this case though, its also a difference in organization. Despite what the panicky "they're gonna take muh guns!" lot who always fear, the anti-gun lobby isn't nearly so organized or motivated as the pro-gun lobby - it's not two sides forming organically and then dissipating again.

The anti-gun lobby rises and fades like the tide with every mass murder. The pro-gun lobby have a well-worn playbook whenever a tragedy like this happens. They will offer prayers and thoughts to the victims, of course, then swiftly read off their prepared statements because they know people are gonna keep killing others. Meanwhile, the anti-gun lobby - normally just a small fringe, sees a huge surge in attention and support for a short while as people are horrified at what has happened and seek answers. But they are not invested fully into the cause, they are acting more from emotion, and as the outrage fades their interests shift and they move on. Thus the pro-gun lobby knows they just have to delay things a year to ride out the wave and let things reset.

The anti-gun lobby doesn't want things to change because they don't want real, costly and time-consuming solutions and prefer a little sputtering outrage before they let the next flash in the pan distract. the pro-gun lobby doesn't want thing to change because dead children/cops/concert goers are an acceptable cost to gun ownership.

The idea of addressing the broader issues at work - covering everything from crime to mental illness - are just really not on the menu. Instead, we get platitudes, empty promises, and a strange focus on one small aspect of what is happening.

It kinda reminds me of the War on Terror, in a way, what with the myopic focus on one facet to the exclusion of all else (replace guns with Muslims and the parallels really start to fall into place), but with that boondoggle we're content to waste billions. Hell, even the constitutional aspects come up and are challenged by those who want immediate change, etc. etc.

In the end, though, you can bet all those with a dog in the fight will continue to make a good slice of change from the bodies of the slain. Nothing gets the wallets filled like a good mass slaughter.
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Amazingly that bitch is protected by a gun, let her lead by example.

The comments that came out of her ******* after the shooting shows her lack of intelligence.



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The name of one of these people is very well-known :she was a presidential candidate

Immediately after the shooting, she attacked those who had nothing to do with it : the NARA.

People have guns to defend themselves against the criminals .Hillary, who supports the criminals by her opposition to a tough anti-crime law wants to prevent the lab-abiding citizens to defend themselves against the criminals .

No one would send military to war without weapons, but innocent people can't have weapons in the war against criminals .

In the Belgian city of Dendermonde an old man has been assaulted in his own house by five young criminals and is now in hospital in a critical condition .That's the result of being soft on criminals and harsh on innocent people .

Guns are less dangerous than cars : there are in the US 350 million weapons and 260 million cars

Fatal casualties : by cars some 35000, by guns 10500.

But the turn of the cars will come ; cars give people freedom,and those who are governing us dislike this .In Europe cars are being outlawed ( by the same people who want to ban guns),US will follow .

Hillary has the right on a car and bodyguards, not Smith or Jones : Smith and Jones must know their place .
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Their thing is bombings: from the horse-drawn cart on Wall Street to the prosecutors in Palermo, Italians have always preferred bombs. When Carmine Galante was recruiting Zips as enforcers in Brooklyn, he had to condition them to prefer firearms over bombs like Pavlovian dogs. That may explain why they turned on him so easily, belying their reputation for loyalty.



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That is not germane to the topic at hand Marc. Since 1993 there has been a mass shooting in the USA every year; no other major industrialized country has mass shootings on such a regular basis. To argue that the easy availability of guns is not somehow related to that is disingenuous at best. Kaleb Keeter, one of the musicians that performed during that country music festival and a gun owner is now arguing that gun control measures are needed. Mr. Keeter stated member of his road crew were armed that evening and were unable to do anything about the psychopathic accountant on the 32nd floor of the hotel. As I have pointed before, the 2nd Amendment opens with the words "A well regulated militia". It is high time that we heeded their advice.

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No, understand English? The meaning refers to every able-bodied man eighteen years of age and older. Some history major you are.

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That is not germane to the topic at hand Marc. Since 1993 there has been a mass shooting in the USA every year; no other major industrialized country has mass shootings on such a regular basis. To argue that the easy availability of guns is not somehow related to that is disingenuous at best. Kaleb Keeter, one of the musicians that performed during that country music festival and a gun owner is now arguing that gun control measures are needed. Mr. Keeter stated member of his road crew were armed that evening and were unable to do anything about the psychopathic accountant on the 32nd floor of the hotel. As I have pointed before, the 2nd Amendment opens with the words "A well regulated militia". It is high time that we heeded their advice.

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The anti-gun lobby doesn't want things to change

the pro-gun lobby doesn't want thing to change because dead children/cops/concert goers are an acceptable cost to gun ownership.
1) Not correct : Hillary (one of the chiefs of the anti-gun lobby)
wants things to change

2) Also not correct : correct is : dead children/concert goers are an acceptable cost for the acceptance of criminality as something normal .
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Killer had 12 of they weapons modified with the 'bump stocks'. Explains the long periods of heavy fire.

This is thing to look at for a possible 'gun control' law.
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Killer had 12 of they weapons modified with the 'bump stocks'. Explains the long periods of heavy fire.

This is thing to look at for a possible 'gun control' law.
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Killer had 12 of they weapons modified with the 'bump stocks'. Explains the long periods of heavy fire.

This is thing to look at for a possible 'gun control' law.
They've certain,y already become one of the focuses for the dialogue going on now. I imagine a strike against them will be seen as a goal for the anti-gun crowd.
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Killer had 12 of they weapons modified with the 'bump stocks'. Explains the long periods of heavy fire.

This is thing to look at for a possible 'gun control' law.
I think these are trigger modifications, but could be wrong. I know the whole bump-fire treads a fine line between legal and illegal, but it's worth noting that one can achieve bump-fire using a simple rubber band.
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