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what weapons did he use?
Sounds like a belted machine gun, Possibly drum feed.

Listen to the duration of the bursts.



Any grunts think it sounds like a SAW?
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Sounds like a belted machine gun, Possibly drum feed.

Listen to the duration of the bursts.



Any grunts think it sounds like a SAW?
Not necessarily. Sound waves bouncing off the walls of nearby buildings can fool the ear. It's possible that the weapon was fully automatic, but it may not have been.
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It's possible that it wasn't fully automatic. However, the fire is just too rythmic to be done manually. Burst length is consistent with 30 round mag dumps from a fully automatic, an actual Assault Rifle. Reports are that it was fully automatic, and they're trying to determine if it was illegally purchased, or if it was legally bought and then illegally modified.
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It's possible that it wasn't fully automatic. However, the fire is just too rythmic to be done manually. Burst length is consistent with 30 round mag dumps from a fully automatic, an actual Assault Rifle. Reports are that it was fully automatic, and they're trying to determine if it was illegally purchased, or if it was legally bought and then illegally modified.
One can easily modify a 223 to use a bump trigger to fire like an automatic. From the sounds of the videos I have heard, this sounded like something heavier and slower such as a illegally modified AK-47 with 30 round clips. Regardless, this deranged killer only had to fire into the confined crowd to accomplish the carnage he created. He didn't have to sniper target any of his victims from that distance. He was going to hit someone just by shooting in that direction. With the reported 10 minutes of shooting only stopping long enough to swap out magazines, it is easy to see why there were so many people killed and wounded in this senseless "A View to a Kill" James Bond Villain style attack.
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One can easily modify a 223 to use a bump trigger to fire like an automatic. From the sounds of the videos I have heard, this sounded like something heavier and slower such as a illegally modified AK-47 with 30 round clips. Regardless, this deranged killer only had to fire into the confined crowd to accomplish the carnage he created. He didn't have to sniper target any of his victims from that distance. He was going to hit someone just by shooting in that direction. With the reported 10 minutes of shooting only stopping long enough to swap out magazines, it is easy to see why there were so many people killed and wounded in this senseless "A View to a Kill" James Bond Villain style attack.
I agree with you. I don't think we were looking at .223 here. I think you'll find either AK or .308 AR as the primary weapon. And while I didn't hear enough video to determine if he ever swapped weapons, it doesn't sound like it from what video I've heard.

I've spent some time listening to .308 caliber automatic weapons fire, and this sounded consistent with what I've heard, though of course cell phone audio quality is crap. You hear more of the weapons report than the supersonic crack, even at 400+ yards.

The pauses are about the length required for an inexperienced shooter to change magazines and dump another one out the window.
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I agree with you. I don't think we were looking at .223 here. I think you'll find either AK or .308 AR as the primary weapon. And while I didn't hear enough video to determine if he ever swapped weapons, it doesn't sound like it from what video I've heard.

I've spent some time listening to .308 caliber automatic weapons fire, and this sounded consistent with what I've heard, though of course cell phone audio quality is crap. You hear more of the weapons report than the supersonic crack, even at 400+ yards.

The pauses are about the length required for an inexperienced shooter to change magazines and dump another one out the window.
Okay, that was what I was asking. I don't have any guns with 30 round clips. I got one semi auto .223 with a five round fixed magazine.

I figure I don't need more than that when hunting the rather tiny deer we've got here.
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Think of the thousands of lives that would have been saved had there been a ban on box cutters and huge commercial jet aircraft.

One does not have to aim at individuals in a huge crowd of people in order to kill so many VIA James Bond villain style from the movie "A View To A Kill."

Progressive call for gun control will do nothing but disarm the law abiding. Those who's minds have been poisoned by the Devil will use whatever means to commit mass murder, be it a pressure cooker filled with fireworks, a truck loaded with fertilizer of the right type, cutting a gas line in a building, slashing people in a mall or on a commuter train with a big knife, firebombing a popular night club full of people, releasing poisonous gas in a subway, smashing their car into a crowd of people, a hijacked commercial aircraft, contaminating a municipal water supply, placing poison in Tylenol capsules, blowing up an elementary school full of kids, whatever is handy at the time. One can find numerous links to every one of the methods above that have killed in the past.
And yet the most common of all that is????
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Could many of the wounded be due to stampede rather than bullets?
Yes, for instance the news had the main LV Hospital, the only level one Trauma center handling 100+ cases of gunshots. If you figure they recieved the majority of gun shot wounds that leaves 400+ other types. Everything from broken limbs from falls to cuts and abrasions.
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Some reports have him with two tripods in the room used to hold weapons. Where those the ones we here? Do not Know. They could have been for 'sniping' later and he held the ones he used... will be a bit before more comes out.
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I agree with you. I don't think we were looking at .223 here. I think you'll find either AK or .308 AR as the primary weapon. And while I didn't hear enough video to determine if he ever swapped weapons, it doesn't sound like it from what video I've heard.
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Yeah, I was thinking AK too from the sound of it, but I think it would have been a higher kill vs. wounded ratio if it had been anything heavier than a .223.

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Not necessarily. Sound waves bouncing off the walls of nearby buildings can fool the ear. It's possible that the weapon was fully automatic, but it may not have been.
Yes, the echo made some people think there were more than one shooter at first. The sounds bouncing off the high-rises must have made it very hard to find the shooter's location.
In fact, I heard that they found the room because the smoke detector went off... but we'll see.

The usual blackout on detailed & truthful information is being enforced...
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A northern Alberta woman has been identified as one of the victims of Sunday night's mass shooting in Las Vegas.
Jessica Klymchuk of Valleyview has been identified as one of at least 58 people killed in the attack which left more than 500 injured.
Klymchuk, 34, was an educational assistant, librarian and bus driver at St. Stephen's School in Valleyview, 350 kilometres northwest of Edmonton. "She leaves to mourn four children who all attend St. Stephen's and her new husband," Betty Turpin, superintendent of the Holy Family Catholic Regional Division, said in a message to trustees.
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Jordan McIldoon, from Maple Ridge, British Columbia was among the 58 people killed near the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino during the Route 91 Harvest country music festival.
Jordan McIldoon’s parents, Al and Angela McIldoon, were left in shock when notified of their son’s death. Jordan was their only child. They confirmed his death to Canadian outlet, CBC News. “We only had one child,” they said. “We just don’t know what to do.”
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Sonny Melton was a registered nurse at Henry County Medical Centre in Paris, Tennessee. His wife, Heather Melton, is an orthopaedic surgeon at the hospital and survived the shooting. She told WZTV in Nashville that her husband "saved my life and lost his" as they tried to escape the bullets. "I want everyone to know what a kind loving man he was, but at this point I can barely breathe," she told USA Today.The couple married in June last year.
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All the conjecture about this guy isn't going to solve the "case". In fact, I don't think there is much "case" to be derived here..... it's just going to turn out to be "one of those things". (But THAT won't sit well with the expecting population, will it?}

It any rate, I had thought that the dust might settle before the anti-gunners started up their rhetoric, and this entire routine got replayed..... (Sigh.)

I am interested in one of those $50 kits that can change a basic M-15 type (or AK-47) into a full auto...... I've frankly NEVER seen the like...... I'm glad all those newsies have.

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