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Native American Genocide...?

Something i have long suspected -



And if you want to get into his sources, its all here;
https://board.freedomainradio.com/to...ican-genocide/

I could have done a summary, but it was such a worthwhile 36 minutes that I heartily suggest you give it a listen.
Some VERY basic facts are in that thing that ought to be revealed, and talked about.
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The only thing worse than what happened to the Native Americans is being a Native American today and having to a bunch of white guys whining about it.

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The only thing worse than what happened to the Native Americans is being a Native American today and having to a bunch of white guys whining about it.

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I've been saying the same for years to anybody white who whines about Indians. Go find an Indian and give them your job, your home, your bank account and every thing you have and then go back to Europe and you can whine about Indians! The best thing we can do for the American Indian is abolish the BIA and the reservations and let them live just like every other citizen.
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I've been saying the same for years to anybody white who whines about Indians. Go find an Indian and give them your job, your home, your bank account and every thing you have and then go back to Europe and you can whine about Indians! The best thing we can do for the American Indian is abolish the BIA and the reservations and let them live just like every other citizen.
Thing is, those whining whites...are they actually from Europe, or were they born here just like the rest of us (US citizens). They couldn't just "go back" then, could they, they'd be abandoning their homes and family.

And as for abolishing reservations...I was in Arizona last month. Navajo nation. They're doing just fine, and in most instances I saw, doing better than I was. Kudos to them, but don't expect any more sympathy from me.

But neither am I going to stand around and let anyone bad mouth a culture I still respect (regardless of the entitlement some display) without an argumentative education forthcoming from me.
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Thing is, those whining whites...are they actually from Europe, or were they born here just like the rest of us (US citizens). They couldn't just "go back" then, could they, they'd be abandoning their homes and family.
You mean like the Indians were forced to do?
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You mean like the Indians were forced to do?


Which Indians? The ones alive today that schisted me out of some of my money in Arizona? The ones that are so well off that every one I met was a bit obese from the good life? The ones living on a "reservation" so vast that it's larger than some states in the East, that contain many of this countries natural wonders, in some of the most beautiful land that this continent has to offer, which they charge whatever the heck they want for vacationers to take pictures of? Or the ones that haven't been around for a hundred years that were definitely forced to do this by whites that haven't been around for a hundred years?
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I just wanted you to know that anytime I played cowboys and indians as a kid I always wanted to be an indian.

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Been to a reservation lately? The people doing the vast majority of the whining are the Amerinds themselves.

The tragedy isn't what happened in tho past to the Amerinds - a lot of ethnic groups died by the millions during that time period including the Irish - but their refusal to enter the 21st century and work alongside everyone else. Everybody had it rough, but the Europeans settled down, worked their butts off and made something of themselves.

The Federal government, meanwhile, has made it clear that the only successful Amerinds are those granted special status to operate tax-exempt casinos, and that money goes as welfare to the remainder of the particular tribe involved. It's a rare thing indeed to meet a successful, fully assimilated Amerind anywhere in America, despite all of the advantages provided by the Federal government. For the rest, alcohol, diabetes, drugs, disease, depression and social and spiritual decay are all that remain of once proud Amerind peoples.

The major exception to this remains the Mohawks, who earned a stellar reputation as the most fearless of the high iron workers anywhere in the world.

And I second Hida's statement - I, too, am a Native American, fifth generation.
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"Native American"

Anyone born here is native to this country, doesn't matter if you're white, black, or an actual American Indian. I'm as Native American as anyone else. Sheesh, this is a label that's really starting to grind my gears lately.
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Anyone born here is native to this country, doesn't matter if you're white, black, or an actual American Indian. I'm as Native American as anyone else. Sheesh, this is a label that's really starting to grind my gears lately.
By 'native', I feel sure that most mean 'indigenous' aka those folks whose ancestry lies for many hundreds/thousands of years in North America.

It is also true that the various tribes, much like in other counties, beat up on eachother, and that incoming folks used such realities to divide and conquer.
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By 'native', I feel sure that most mean 'indigenous' aka those folks whose ancestry lies for many hundreds/thousands of years in North America.

It is also true that the various tribes, much like in other counties, beat up on eachother, and that incoming folks used such realities to divide and conquer.
Used? There were tribes lining up to help out.

And even within tribes-Crazy Horse was killed with the cooperation of a trusted friend, Sitting Bull was shot by tribal police drawn from his own tribe, and Geronimo was caught thanks to Apaches serving as Army scouts, just to name a few.

When Wounded Knee comes up people generally forget that the Army was called in to support the reservation Police (an all Indian force drawn from the same tribe).

Human beings are Human beings.
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Used? There were tribes lining up to help out.

And even within tribes-Crazy Horse was killed with the cooperation of a trusted friend, Sitting Bull was shot by tribal police drawn from his own tribe, and Geronimo was caught thanks to Apaches serving as Army scouts, just to name a few.

When Wounded Knee comes up people generally forget that the Army was called in to support the reservation Police (an all Indian force drawn from the same tribe).

Human beings are Human beings.
Even today there is no love lost between many Crow and Cheyenne just an hour north of where I live. You have similar rivals on Wind River with the Shoshone and Arapaho on the Wind River Indian Reservation.

Mountain Man, I know I am referencing a work of fiction here, one whose author is white, but one of the aspects of the novel series and show Longmire I like is the depiction of the struggles of many of the tribal members today. The pressure between keeping the culture of their ancestors alive, staying on the reservation (some of which from certain tribal councils who don't want to lose power and Tribal members living off of the reservation is a loss of power to them), yet trying to a part of the American world, I do not envy those in that position.
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"Native American"

Anyone born here is native to this country, doesn't matter if you're white, black, or an actual American Indian. I'm as Native American as anyone else. Sheesh, this is a label that's really starting to grind my gears lately.
Agreed.
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So... no arguments with the facts and figures presented. or the way they were documented in the list of sources?

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