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Old 29 Aug 17, 18:38
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Sure there well Dream on! IF, repeat IF that was the case why aren't legals and Americans filling those jobs now?
Seriously? Illegals (and migrant workers, where of a goodly percentage are illegals) are not full time employees (even if they work more than 40 hrs/wk) and are hired for 89 days, fired, and rehired the next day. That way the companies do not have to have retirement plans, health care and other mandated benefits. Often they do not pay taxes as "migrants" are typically paid under the table (and that goes without saying for illegals). They often get paid quite well; $10/hr or better, but if under the table that is still better than hiring locally. Farmers around here usually pay from $10-14/hr during picking season. I've seen "migrant workers" holding construction jobs in Northern Michigan (where folk of Mexican decent are a rarity) earning $10.00/hr plus room and board (at one of the better hotels in the area) despite the fact there were many locals who could have been hired for the job.

It is quite a racket, but Democrats have come to rely heavily (and increasingly) on identity politics, and illegals from Central America are being used to fill the ranks of all the old Democratic constituencies which have been jumping ship since the late 80's.

Where are the legals and Americans? In the unemployment line...for as long as that holds out.

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NO WE DON'T

That isn't their duty in the first place
Traditionally the U.S. Army fulfilled the constabulary role. It could resume that position again. Of course the Border Patrol fulfills that role now, but wither we have to use the military or bring (and equip) up the BP to a paramilitary status ala the Italian Caribiniers (sp?). The latter would probably preferable in my opinion but Dem's would fight the BP's "militarization" tooth and nail. But then, they are of this moment the minority party (no pun intended)


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Of course you can expect the prices on many things to go up or even cease to be available. But what the heck, we stopped the illegals didn't we. All that counts, right.
One of the real problems for the working class for the last 10 years has been falling wages. Yes, an increase in wages will cause inflation, but a healthy economy requires a certain amount of inflation anyway (around 5% as I understand it).

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As I always understood it, securing the borders against foreign intrusion is a duty of the military, not an optional or emergency function.

What is the controversy here?
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Here it's a police duty.

But as stated, that's for each nation state to decide.
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As I always understood it, securing the borders against foreign intrusion is a duty of the military, not an optional or emergency function.

What is the controversy here?
that's what I thought....quite simple--yes?
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I bet that "message" was received loud and clear...
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Let's put our welfare queens on mandatory farm duty then we save money on obesity related health issues and also get cheaper fresh veggies
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If we absolutely HAVE TO HAVE foreign workers (so we can buy things cheaper with our shrinking wages) then use work permits and visas as the law stipulates. Then they are temporary workers and not immigrants. No job no stay. No government benefits. If they enter legally and work legally I would then agree that they could deserve a place in line to legally apply for immigration and citizenship in accordance with our laws and policies.

And why are we not prosecuting the illegal employers who are also breaking the law?

If we need workers we can obtain them internally or through legal work visas there is absolutely no reason to allow uncontrolled entry and colonization.
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I owed an update to the initial post.
Both cars were detained on that day, the 12 migrants were riding in two cars. The confusion was caused by the official press release which mentioned two cars but went on to focus on the one on which shots were fired, without mentioning what happened to the second. There was no APB for a runaway car.
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Putting them to work is called slavery, we can't have that.

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Putting them to work is called slavery, we can't have that.
Ah man wrong century sorry
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I bet that "message" was received loud and clear...
I doubt it. Or maybe only at the land borders.
We have our own Merkel, she's Carmen Dan, the Interior Minister. On Sunday, after 90 migrants made it to the Romanian shore, she posted an emotional message on Facebook, saying all migrants will be treated humanely by the Romanian coast guard. Normal message I guess, but one that could have Merkel-like effects if those in the camps get wind of it.
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On Monday, at 3 a.m. local time, border guards set up a road block outside the village of Denta (near the border with Serbia), having intel about a "shipment" of migrants from Serbia toward Timisoara.

Two cars refused to stop and tried to drive through the road block. The border guards opened fire. One of the car was halted. Two Asian immigrants suffered gunshot wounds. The Serbian driver was detained along with 12 illegal immigrants. They will be charged with human smuggling and illegal border crossing. Its unclear at this point what happened to the second vehicle, I'll see if any other news pops up.
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Needs to happen more often.
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